Galileo's missing fingers found in jar

gassy · 11-23-2009, 07:52 AM

I didn't know any of this (which isn't saying much) but I found this interesting.

Galileo's missing fingers found in jar - CNN.com

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 09:18 AM

The quest for relics was the main reason for the crusades and the eventual middle beast Muslim Judio Christian problems...

dhoward · dhoward's Garage

Whew.
I can finally stop looking...

audiman08 · 11-23-2009, 09:40 AM

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The quest for relics was the main reason for the crusades and the eventual middle beast Muslim Judio Christian problems...

Wow, I'm a graduate student studying history and I've never heard that....sounds like you've been reading too many novels. The first crusade was a result of Emperor Alexius I requesting help from the Pope because Byzantine pilgrims were being mistreated by the Seljuk Turks (who controlled Jerusalem). Other reasons include political friction between Turkish and southern European nations. Relics really didn't have anything to do with the start of the crusades, afterall there were Christians in Jerusalem before the crusades who would have access to relics there. There would be no need to start a religious war to claim relics they already had access to. Sorry for the history lesson...

Moses · 11-23-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dhoward

whew.
I can finally stop looking...

:d:d:d

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by audiman08

Wow, I'm a graduate student studying history and I've never heard that....sounds like you've been reading too many novels. The first crusade was a result of Emperor Alexius I requesting help from the Pope because Byzantine pilgrims were being mistreated by the Seljuk Turks (who controlled Jerusalem). Other reasons include political friction between Turkish and southern European nations. Relics really didn't have anything to do with the start of the crusades, afterall there were Christians in Jerusalem before the crusades who would have access to relics there. There would be no need to start a religious war to claim relics they already had access to. Sorry for the history lesson...

I will pull out my sources tonight - it is part of a library I have assembled studying failure. In this case it was the failure of Man.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem...

creaturecat · 11-23-2009, 10:16 AM

A failure library? Serious?

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 10:22 AM

Yup. Had to for the book I wrote. I started with materials (metal, wood, plastics and composites) and machines on through to electronic components but I couldn't stop there - it would have been incomplete and a failure! I have a pretty good collection including the failure of methods (management), reasons for business failure as well as man failure.

You might say I am an expert at failure...

audiman08 · 11-23-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77

Yup. Had to for the book I wrote. I started with materials (metal, wood, plastics and composites) and machines on through to electronic components but I couldn't stop there - it would have been incomplete and a failure! I have a pretty good collection including the failure of methods (management), reasons for business failure as well as man failure.

You might say I am an expert at failure...

What book?

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 10:44 AM

"Developing Purchashing Specifications Using Failure Analysis" - Industrial Press is offering it in Feburary.

audiman08 · 11-23-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LubeMaster77

"Developing Purchashing Specifications Using Failure Analysis" - Industrial Press is offering it in Feburary.

I'd be interested to see your sources on the idea that relic hunting caused the first crusade, as no historians take that position, nor is there any historical evidence to support that. You may want to tell your editor to leave that section out.

Pazuzu · 11-23-2009, 10:57 AM

Material failure comes from taking the raw materials and turning it into an object that is not inherent in the material. Take a tree that wants to be a chair, and make a table of it, and it will fail. Take a rock that wants to be a statue and make it into a birdbath, and it will fail.

Understand what the raw material wants, needs to be, and obey that, and it will not fail.

So, was this Galileo's middle finger? I think he used that one quite a bit near the end...

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 12:41 PM

All things will fail - just a metter of time...

M.D. Holloway · 11-23-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by audiman08

I'd be interested to see your sources on the idea that relic hunting caused the first crusade, as no historians take that position, nor is there any historical evidence to support that. You may want to tell your editor to leave that section out.

except that is not in my book - hold tight lad, it has been a few years sense I read that particular source, I'll get it for you.

audiman08 · 11-23-2009, 05:31 PM

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except that is not in my book - hold tight lad, it has been a few years sense I read that particular source, I'll get it for you.

No worries, I wasn't trying to be critical, just had to chime in on the crusades. I'd still like to read your book.

adrian jaye · 11-24-2009, 12:21 AM

not all things

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All things will fail - just a metter of time...

john70t · 11-24-2009, 07:16 AM

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So, was this Galileo's middle finger? I think he used that one quite a bit near the end...

Displayed on a wall facing Rome?