drug test question
 

I know that drugs are bad, mmmkay. What if I went to Mexico where small amounts are legal and happen to try some pot for the first time. I then get tested here in the US by my employer and test positive. Any opinion on the outcome?

your screwed..
?, time lapse between the tokes and test..
?, first time..for real..

Rika

I think that this might be a completely new thing that no one has ever tried, and therefore, you can get away with it, since I'm sure there's NO legal precedence :D

You may become the world record holder for the biggest bong hit in history! Who knows? You may not have a job afterward, but you could have the record!

You should be fine. No one's ever had an incredible explanation for a positive test before.

If I were you, I'd ditch the Mexico story and start working on your Medical Marijuana story.

I think locale is irrelevant.

Not having certain substances in your system is a condition of employment.

Pretty simple.

IMO don't do it.

Y'all are smoking something. Oh, wait. Sorry. You are.

Employers are looking for an excuse to fire you and replace you with someone clean, out of work, hungrier and cheaper.

If you fail a drug test, they will not care (or believe your 'story'). The fact that you are drug tested tells us all that you have a job where zero tolerance is required by law.

The fact that your 'use' was 'legal' is not the issue. You could have 'legally used' here in CA.

The drug test does not care how the THC got there. Your employer does not care how the THC got there. (You could have been in the same room, and test positive if someone else was smoking.)

You will be fired for failing, and have a record.

The Prop 215 people don't get this. It's like they are smoking something.

Oh wait.

They are.

There are products to flush thc from your system......imo drink TONS of water and excersize, the burning of the fat and sweat will help....if just one good toke and you were previously clean it could exit your system in a couple weeks, but generally its a month, habitual smokers it could take months....
Do some research, the internet is a wonderfull thing :)

This question is only a hypothetical :). When one tests postitive in a drug test, the testing company will contact you with a series of questions. The questions are designed to determine if legal use or other drug use could have triggered the positive.
If one were in mexico and enjoyed a bit of the local flavor and then were tested back in the US, can you be terminated. I'm sure that you can, but what do you think?
I have tried to think of other examples where an action is legal in a different country but not in the US but have struggled to come up with another that would be similar to this situation.
How about sex laws in other countries? Some places have lower age of consent laws? Do we prosecute those people who are returning to the US after the "crime" was committed in a different country.

Outcome: Fired!

Mexico, Amsterdam or DFW - drug use is drug regardless of proximity.

Besides, an employer doesn't need a reason to fire you...you are 'at will'.

You can't make those comparisons.

If it's not a crime in those jurisdictions then no crime has been committed.

Now if you were to try and bring one of those underage girls back with you.....

Just because it's legal in Mexico does not mean it's not against company policy.

I'm not taking a position here, and I hope this doesn't end up in PARF, and I hope Dorothy really does find Kansas.

That having been said.

There have been a series of recent arrests of USA citizens in the USA for 'crimes' committed abroad. The words 'Bangkok' and 'children' come to mind. The words 'Swiss MasterCard tied to numbered account' and 'UBS' come to mind. The words 'Abu Graib' and 'interrogation' come to mind.

In each of these cases, it was the US law that they are being charged with. Sometimes even though 'at the time of the offense' it was not an offense, except in intent to conceal. The sex crimes and the IRS crimes are pretty straightforward.

The military ones are a little grey. You ask me was what was done wrong? You'll get an honest answer. You ask, should they be prosecuted for following a superiors' command (lawful, legal or otherwise), and my forehead starts to twitch and hurt. Anyone that has EVER had a Marine D.I.'s hat brim poking his forehead will never forget what that feels like. Then the answer gets fuzzier (think of the movie 'A Few Good Men'). Have I EVER disobeyed a superior officers' command? H3LL no! I always thought of the brim of that hat. Still do to this day.

The drug thang? Change one little fact. The smoking was done in California, legally, with legally obtained dope (THC).

Does this change the results of the test or the inquiry after? Even the control sample and the follow-on questions involved with it?

You might want to have your resume updated, and get another job before your record shows the dismissal, and the criminal conviction.

18 years ago I took a drug test on a Tuesday morning. I smoked a little weed on the Saturday before. Got the job, still work here. Drink lots of water, I mean LOTS of water. Take a few vitamins to put color in your pee, it won't appear deluted. You should be fine.

I appreciate the advice on tricking the test. Fortunately, my job doesn't require such an invasion of privacy and I am judged by the quality of my work not the quality of my urine. My question was answered by the many of the posters who stated that it is not the legality of the act (smoking weed) but the presence of the metabolite of THC in the urine.
It was pointed out that you could legally smoke in Calif. as well and the same outcome of being fired for having it in your system can be expected.
This seems wrong to me. If legally prescribed it should be treated the same as a bipolar meds, cardiac meds or any other.
Maybe we could cut healthcare costs if we eliminate drug testing.

old news is that most $ bills in your pocket have trace amounts of coke on them

I liberally sprinkle mine with fresh coke every morning.


I said "liberally", so off it goes to PARF :p

There is a big battle brewing here in CA. Prop 215 did not 'legalize' MJ, it 'decriminalized' it for personal, medicinal use. You need a 'prescription' and the amounts are suposedly restricted.

Of course, this niche has exploded into totally unlicensed 'dispensaries' popping up everywhere. Obama said he would not prosecute at the federal level but rather follow local and state regualtions. The states and the counties are scrambling to play catch up.

It's a mess in CA. Every zombie out there suddenly has 'back pain', and that and $20 gets you a 'presciption' for MJ, sometimes even over the internet. Once you have this non-standardized form, you spend your time and whatever funds you can 'rustle up' to go to a 'dispensary' and buy your kush.

Here's the rub, pardon the pun. The dispensaries have no legal way to purchase/obtain the MJ, so they are still an outlet for the Mexican Cartels National Forest-Grown cash crop. The growers are already at the best possible economic solution to the demand-supply equation. Low-cost (illegal) labor, stolen water in a Federal Forest, armed security to scare away hikers and swat teams. A mess. Several wildland and forest fires started by campfires at these grow sites so far this year (and we are just now coming into fire season).

It's what we all have to look forward to.

this is the normal people's forum

like... "How To Beat the Wiz Quiz" by Ed Carson; Paladin Press; 1991

ISBN 0-87364-624-x

People have tested positive for drugs from poppy seed muffins. Mythbusters tested it and it was confirmed.

My policy is that any physical test they want to put me through, scores seriously high.
I'm talking consistency. I'm talking every drug test. Even those they didn't think were possible to combine for a human, with a still beating heart.

You want to score so well, that the results cause a meltdown in the analyst's brain, make him feel uneasy, insecure... If you test positive on everything, and then ask em with a straight face:

"so, how did i score? Did i fail any tests? Am i in the top 1 percent?"

It will be the equivalent to what "devide by zero" does for a computer.
They will crumble, and admit to your superiority..
You'll be hired, and instantly rolled into the "upper management Fast Track" program.


Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.

Damn right. No half measures here. Bury the needle, and make 'em wonder how you even hit the bottle.

The Wizzinator.
Problem solved.

37 years of both scheduled and random drug screens.

As the cute young thang hands you the cup, you get this stunned look and say 'Hun, I'm gonna need a bigger cup'.

Gets 'em every time.

BTW, never tripped one yet.

Have seen lots that have. No matter who it is, or how it turned out, it was not pretty.

Accurate test.

Assuming your job doesn't have testing due to safety, i.e. pilot, bus driver, cop, etc., I think your best option is to ask if you can be admitted for rehab before the results come back.

I do not think lots of water works. THC is stored in fat, you have to metabolize the THC. take some Niacin. I would not eat the morning before your test and go pee right when you wake up, When you test use a mid stream catch. Don't smoke weed. I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Administrator while I was in the Navy, saw a lot of good people get booted out for stupid reasons.

More unverified 3rd party rumours: I've heard they test for watering down by measuring the levels of byproducts from meat(i.e. eat lots 'o meat and water down sample), also that orange juice and excercise releases THC from the fat cells.
I'd recommend not smoking weed, or finding another employer.

I haven't smoked in probably a decade, but believe drug tests are un-constututional and irrelevent for non-saftey issues.
That's why I've spent tens of thousands of dollars at Lowes instead of Home Depot.

Hell, I drink so much, when I take a urine test, I piss olive's.

I actually passed a military security check (with a pee test) when I was positive.

Was sitting in a outdoor cafe in Amsterdamm years ago when I was living in Europe. Couple of people in the table next to us were smoking either pot or hash, who knows which. Caught a couple of very strong whiff's of it and thats it.

Fast forward two weeks later where I was sitting in St. Louis at McDonnell Douglas Aircraft HQ. Had been called 10 days before for a job on a military contract and asked to come to CONUS for the interview and processing. Went through all the questioning BS and that was fine, then came the "pee in the bottle" check.

Told them about the situation in Amsterdamm (remember its legal there) and they looked at me funny for a bit but said "we will note it." A week later got my badge and the admin pulled me aside and mentioned that the THC did show up on my sample but it was so small that they could tell that I had not been smoking it. Had I not mentioned it I would have been busted and not gotten the job.

When I was a kid in school tried pot a few times. Fun but not my cup of tea. When I retire may try it again, who knows. Until then I kinda like having a job and money coming in every month so believe that I will stick with something like Jack Daniels for now.

Stopped shopping at HD when it came out that they were sponsoring Gay Pride events. The drug testing did not help things either.

Yea, I've recently failed two drug tests because of this. They test for drugs and creatine. It the creatine levels aren't within certains levels, you have a diluted sample.

The fact that drugs are unlawful is only a small part of the equation. It's one of the more minor excuses that the industry can use when it's time to change the subject.

The real presumed and accepted basis for drug testing is performance and safety. It is presumed that drug use causes poor performance and unsafe behavior. Problem is, those links are not real. Not established. First, the link between urine content and level of intoxication has not been made. Indeed, we know that urine can contain cannabis metabolytes weeks after use, when intoxication is clearly not present.

The second link that would be necessary to support these (performance and safety) conclusions would be the link between intoxication (which we know cannot be established through urinalysis) and performance/safety. Interestingly, this connection is weak. Indeed, performance under the influence of some drugs (cocaine for example) is consistently higher than with individuals who are not intoxicated.

And finally, if the industry were the slightest bit serious about performance or safety, it would test for the drug that clearly lowers performance and erodes safety, which is also the drug where current intoxication can be established through testing. The test is a called "breathalyzer" and the drug is alcohol. I have been a Drug Testing Coordinator and have looked into this industry in some detail. As it turns out, programs that include testing for alcohol are rare.

It's a witch hunt, guys. What if your employer could analyze your urine and detect whether you have taken office supplies home, or driven a vehicle in excess of the posted speed limit during the past three months? Most of you guys would be screwed. Nevermind that these things probably cannot predict performance or safety. Nevermind that the industry would not be required to establish those links. They are unlawful and you do them anyway, which is an effective excuse for termination.

I am not anti-drug testing. In my view, it has a place. Safety-sensitive positions like pilots, etc. Or when there is clearly a problem and management needs that tool to make a worker face up to facts. But in my humble opinion, if I need a lab report in order to form an impression of whether my direct reports are productive and safe, then I'm not doing my job and should be terminated. For actual cause.

Dang, Superman and I are in perfect agreement. Something must be wrong.... :p

They can now distinguish. Poppy seeds no longer trigger a 'positive for heroin' result.

Drug tests are hard to fool these days.

If your creatinine level is wacky, there is a medical reason. See a doctor, and have that doctor communicate with the Medical Review Officer who is responsible for declaring your test "positive." The MRO will reverse the positive to a negative. Or just eat more red meat and don't drink so much water.

Even conservatives can learn.:cool:

Drug users are less reliable employees. Check.
Drug users don't have a problem breaking the law. Check
Drug users under the influence have impared judgement. Check.
Pot smokers are dumbed out mush-heads. check.
Union supporter claiming all the above facts aren't true. check.