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berettafan 10-16-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 4956370)
It is the very height of arrogance to even try to assume that position over another.


while we do disagree please understand that my position is that presuming to place my son in danger by sending your kid to school with a knife is very much an arrogant act as well.

Jeff Higgins 10-16-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4956574)
while we do disagree please understand that my position is that presuming to place my son in danger by sending your kid to school with a knife is very much an arrogant act as well.

This is precisely where your irrational "reasoning" fails. No one else should be held hostage to your unreasonable fears about what could happen. You simply have no way to demonstrate that your son is in any more or less danger because mine carries a pocket knife to school. None whatsoever. You only think he is.

I, on the other hand, can point to generation upon generation of anecdotal evidence, involving millions upon millions of children, that quite clearly demonstrates my postion that your son is in no danger from other kids having pocket knives at school. He is far more likely to get struck by lightening, or run over by a car, or any number of other things, than he is likely to be stabbed by a knife at school.

You are the one seeking to change others' behaviors to appease your own paranoia, not me. That is where we differ. I'm not demanding you change your behavior to satisfy my views on what you should or should not be allowed to do. Whatever it is you are doing, I will never ask you to change it so long as it does not demonstratably affect me. If society, as a whole, caved into every whacko's pet fears about what could happen if someone else is allwed to______ (fill in the blank), we would find ourselves hopelessly strangled and regulated.

Oh wait... we already are. I guess the hand-wringing ninnies are well and truly winning. Not because their arguments have any merit, but because of their shrill, foot-stamping persistance. Much like you.

emcon5 10-16-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4956549)
of course.

Great. So you and I are in agreement that the "Zero Tolerance" polices are moronic and should be done away with.

Good to know.

The Gaijin 10-16-2009 01:05 PM

The story from the Eagle Scout High School student in New York state.

New York Eagle Scout Suspended From School for 20 Days for Keeping Pocketknife in Car - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

A pocket knife. In a tool kit. In a locked car.

"..."But the superintendent wasn't even at the hearing. It was the principal and the athletic director. The vice principal who originally suspended me wasn't even there, and neither was the superintendent...."

911pcars 10-16-2009 04:33 PM

I took 5 minutes to list these "anecdotal" news events at school:

Stabbings in school:
UCLA campus in shock after student stabbed by classmate | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times

Student Stabs Officer, Officer Shoots Student

Former TC3 student stabs nurse - NewsChannel 9 WSYR

Student stabs another to death in Coral Gables

Suffolk College Student Stabs Professor - The New York Times

Student stabs professor to death in Beijing

Re: Spec ed student stabs/kills his teacher

MassCops - Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network - View Single Post - Elementary student stabs classmate

Brutal stabbing stuns school S. Boston High student hospitalized - The Boston Globe | Encyclopedia.com

Coroner ID's student fatally shot at Carolina Forest High School - Breaking News - The Sun News

Bullard girl stabs friend in bloody bonding rite - Campaigns and Elections - fresnobee.com

Susan Ohanian's Testing Atrocities (Susan Ohanian Speaks Out)

Update: student to face murder charge in Lincoln-Sudbury stabbing - Globe West Updates - Boston.com

Attacks Raise New Fears Over Student Safety: Girl, 12, Stabbed at Steuart Hill; 10th-Grader Shot Near Walbrook - Education News - redOrbit

CNN.com - Transcripts

First Stabbing Ever at Costanoa High School in Santa Cruz : the COURNALIST

US police say elementary students plotted to attack teacher with broken steak knife, handcuffs - AP Worldstream | Encyclopedia.com

Obviously, nothing like that happens in the city of Stepford. Therefore, it must be okay elsewhere.

Sherwood


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