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was good enough then wasn't it. i think they call it discipline. this thread is going in so many goofy directions. the simple statement that bringing a knife to school should not be allowed has been turned into the cause of all that is wrong in the world today. it has been said that you must do this to be a real man. it has been said that if you don't want others kids carrying knives to school you must also not like other kids eating peanut butter and carrying aspirin. lots of knee jerk 'screw the man!' responses here that have absolutely nothing to do with weapons in schools. |
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The presumption you know what all 8-10 year old kids think is mind-boggling. Who do you refer to when you say, "most of us"? Maybe you mean yourself and Sniper - wonderful. In that you assume kids have the same thought process as you, that what you consider a tool (a knife) is also what they perceive (a tool) is short-sighted and naive - as if all "tools" were identical to the one in your mind's eye. If you were their teacher displaying this cavalier attitude toward the safety of kids in your care, I'd ask for your dismissal. Let their parents decide whether they receive the appropriate training at home or in scouts. It's not your prerogative nor your choice. Obviously, it's an opinion.
You claim I'm overreacting over a piddling 2" knife? FYI, a box cutter has a blade shorter than that. Maybe you think the TSA also overreacts when they ban equivalent "kid tools" on commercial flights. That you can predict what kids will or won't do with a knife is stupendously ignorant, much like you can predict what adult strangers will do with one in a crowded elevator or theater. However, maybe I and others underestimate your powers of telepathic insight into the minds of others who must surely be on the same wavelength as yourself. If so, surely your "Stepford" world must be a great place to exist. I believe I've wasted part of my life talking to a wall. That's it for me on this subject. Sherwood |
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Ah, so now to be a man you must carry a multi-tool as a child. And it does or doesn't need to have a knife attached to it? Because who knows when an elementary school kid is going to need to strip the end of some wire to get the stereo in his car working right again. Or maybe the teacher in his class will find herself in the terrifying situation of having a plate of food and no fork available to eat it with. I wonder how this school in Delaware will function if something breaks and there is not a legion of 6yr olds standing ready to assist with their 'multi tools'? |
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but Higgy what you are failing to connect (or agree) with here is that by sending a kid to school with a knife (understand that was not what happened here...i THINK the parents didn't know) the parent of that kid is putting other kids at risk and FORCING their opinion of the matter on the other children. Of course we can say that allowing citizens to own guns also forces gun owners opinions on other citizens but this is where some common sense needs to be applied. i keep my guns in my home and noone else is forced to come in my home. schools are obviously different. etc. etc. i take great issue with this. as a parent i always respect the boundaries and rules of other parents when their children have been placed in my care. i do not presume to know better than they for their own kids whether it be watching tv or playing with play guns or eating peanut butter. i may from time to time disagree with their rules but i most certainly do not ever ignore them. |
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The Brits and their security even got so bad that for several days after the "shoe bomber" incident they would not let us take pencils or pens on the airplane. We fly the jet but cannot take a pen or pencil on board? After a day of this crap we grounded all of the airplanes. Why? The idiots did not realize that we simply cannot fly without writing things down and if they are not going to trust the flight crews, that we are not going to fly. Finally cooler heads prevailed and we were allowed to bring various things in the cabin/cockpit. Now, if you are a vet, then you know how to kill someone with a pencil. We were taught things like this in the military. If you think that terrorists do not know this then you are silly. 99% of this is "knee jerk" reactions trying to make the public feel safe to fly again, not real safety procedures. Let me suggest a novel idea. Probably 60% of us flight crew are vets and had a military security clearance. Re-activate our military clearance (should not take that much, most of us lead a really dull life) and make us a part of the security team. After all, we do not want anyone hijacking the airplane or hurting any of our crew members. But noooooo, the TSA wants to treat us as terrorists and insists on searching us at times even more so than the general public. Its gotten so bad that most airlines now insist that crews go through the security checkpoints as a group to end the harassment that the TSA search teams were doing at one time. Idiots trying to look like they are really making a difference, which in most cases they IMHO are not. Joe A |
have not been impressed by the TSA people i've seen for the most part.
strongly suspect TSA runs a bus through random public assisted housing projects each morning and hands out uniforms in the same manner as a contractor picking up mexicans at home depot. |
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I guess some good came of your participation - you gave the rest of us rational adults a good deal of insight into how the mind of a card-carrying hand-wringing ninny works. The preposterous leaps of "logic" and "reasoning" you have made in this thread are on display for all to review, and to assist them in understanding what we are up against. It's truly mind boggling. Thank you for your invaluable insight. So, the reasonable, rational adults will take it from here. Or, then again, maybe not... Quote:
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By the way, that's another point several participants have brought up that you (and Sherwood) have chosen to ignore. There are many more "weapons" all around children in school every day that would do far, far more harm than a pocket knife. Yet these completely escape your notice, in your hoplophobic focus on the pocket knife as a gasp - weapon. Totally irrational... |
Jeff is spot on here. There is no real in depth thought going on here, its all "knee jerk" reaction designed ONLY to make the public feel better and return to flying again. White wash is a good term for it.
We have steak knives on board our jet in the galley. Duh, we have steak on board from time to time and need them. Once the TSA and security found out about this they made a move to have them removed but a couple of calls to people in DC stopped this. When someone lays out $30 million for a private jet, the CEO or minions on board are not going to hijack it. They do not need to, we will go where-ever they want to as long as its safe and legal. Considering that both of us up front are vets we are not going to do anything silly... Same thing with the airlines. The pilots and crew in back want a nice safe smooth flight. Anyone tries to interfere with the flight and we will open the can of "whoop a$$" on them. Why in the world the TSA treats us as the enemy is beyond us but they do. |
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Higgy it looks to me like i addressed your first issue directly. you must not have liked what i said and chose to ignore it yourself. as to your comment about other 'weapons' being available not only have I addressed it so have others here. knives serve no purpose in school. pencils, rulers and whatever other things you fantasize about being able to kill people with are there to serve a purpose. reading back through this thread this may be the most preposterous of your stances. |
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i agree with your points (most of them anyways) regarding airplanes but the above doesn't seem to jive for me. not that it is really the subject matter here as my frustration here is regarding knives in schools, not eating utensils on airplanes. |
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Ther is no application of logic or common sense. Which is more likely to be a danger to students, a small knife locked in a car, or a baseball bat sitting on a shelf in the locker room? If they are going to punish someone for having a small knife in their car, they need to apply this punishment evenly, and punish every student who has a potentially dangerous item in their vehicle, including screwdrivers, tire irons, wire cutters, etc. All those items are easily as dengerous as a 2" knife, and we must think of the children.:rolleyes: With the airline analogy, there was a news article last year about a airline pilot who had a set of silverware confiscated by the TSA Gestapo, because it included a butter knife. Well, it turns out the silverware set was what his airline used for all first class passengers, so there were many more already on the plane. He was also the farking pilot, so he wouldn't need to hijack the plane even if he wanted to, he was already driving. |
I had the TSA take a 10mm open end wrench from me that I had left in a backpack, guess I was lucky the didn't throw me in the slammer as well.
I'm of the opinion that every kid should have the opportunity to have and carry a pocket knife if their parent's allow it. Kids need to understand that some things in life have multiple uses, a pocket knife can be a weapon but most likely it will be used as a tool. We have the TSA today because of 9/11 and we had 9/11 because we were not vigilant as a country or as individuals. Once the fourth plane occupants realized that they needed to do something or they were going to die, they became aggressors, but unfortunately, it was too late. Had some been carrying "pocket knives" or other useful tools, it might have made a difference. I have always carried a knife of some sort or size, when hunting, it's a bigger one, when I traveled it was a small pocket knife. I have always used it as a tool but there are certainly occasions when a tool could be used as a weapon and we have lost that opportunity or right. I believe that is wrong, always will be wrong in my mind. When my father was in the Air Force, we went to school on post as kids and one kid in 5th grade had been stationed in Japan, for a show and tell day, he brought a Samurai sword (the real deal) to class, not a big deal at all. No one got hurt, no one was killed and we all thought it was pretty cool. How times have changed. |
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Every survival kit should have one if not two knives, period. |
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KNIVES SERVE NO PURPOSE?????????? HOW THE HECK YA GONNA GET LAID IF YA DON'T CARVE YOURS AND HERS INITIALS INTO THE DESK? IT IS ALSO YOUR DUTY TO SHOW YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WHAT DESK YOU WSAT IN IN THIRD GRADE, AND YOUR INITIALS PROVE IT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT!:cool:
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