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End of Ford also?
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Why can't Ford let those union guys go and hire new non-union?
seems like the right thing to do right now.
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The Ford "unionites" said: Hey, you ain't gonna do to us what you did to our kin at GM and Chrysler". Just as the company made a nice profit, the union wants to screw them over. Same old story.
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Ford should fight this - they really should.
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Tell the UAW membership that FOrd is moving its production facilitys to a Right to Work State...and they should buy the Saturn plant and retool it for building Fords..
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Now I gotta laugh at everyone of you on this BOARD..cause you's is dunces....As the Union workers lose compensation and benefits.. SO DO YOU....
I don't care if your Wayne or Shaun, or Lubby or Moses...Americans across the Board are going to be compensated less for the work that they do, and the accumulated effect is going to be a reduction in the standard of living for all Americans...GET IT?
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Might want to do some research. F has cut costs $4.6BN/yr so far this year, goal is $5BN for full year. UAW contract amendments would have been nice, I'd love to see F close some plants and then let the union rank and file chew on that (union leadership supported the amendments). But don't think it is a significant problem.
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read to me not FORD going down but the union leadership is going down....
"Gary Chaison, a professor of labor relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., said the vote was a slap to UAW leadership. It's extremely rare for union members to oppose the union's recommended vote. Chaison said the vote damages the reputation of UAW Vice President Bob King, the chief Ford negotiator, who has been mentioned as a successor to Gettelfinger when the union elects a new president in 2010" Canadians might be ok with it "The no votes came even as Ford reached a similar cost-cutting agreement with the Canadian Auto Workers union Friday. The CAW has agreed to cuts in benefits in exchange for product guarantees, but that agreement must be ratified by Canadian workers."
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I get compensated based on my performance, my knowledge, my skills, my experience. So should everyone else. saying that everyone is better compensated because of the unions is like saying we'll all be better paid when we become communists. It doesn't work and it's not supposed to. If joe Blow down the street is a better worker he deserves more compensation. If I'm a better worker, I get more. that's how it's supposed to be. This crap about everyone getting more no matter what is what is killing ford, chebby, chrysler, the US steel industry, the film industry in So Cal, and the good old US of A! Everyone wants more but doesn't want to earn it. |
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Why sometimes Sammy you strike me as being one ignorant rednecked peckerwood mtherfker...and I mean that in a nice way...
READ YOUR GDMED HISTORY... The stage was set for the huge rise of the MC by the Union movement and WW2. With Unions people could afford to buy the products they made as they were being paid a living wage. This rising wage tide rose ALL BOATS from the union worker to the trades man to the managerial class. U have to remember that Unions brought in decent working conditions, but one still had to work and not be a loafing oaf...that came later...and come under the titile of work ethics and entitlments. Or you get somethin for nothin..
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I just finished Savage Factory, the book about a Ford transmission plant in Ohio.
The story is set in the late '70s, and I'm sure that a lot has changed and improved between the UAW and the manufacturers in 40 years, but my spidey-sense tells me that a lot is still the same. I'm all for unions, belonged when I had the chance, wish I belonged to one now, but I also believe in a measure of common sense. Common sense/common ground is difficult to achieve, though, when both sides' views and demands are worth billions.
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Tabs is correct through and through on this thread.
Sammy is correct too, except that ain't the way it's going to work any longer except for those at the very, very top.
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The very very top has its union too...it called being an Ivy League school grad...
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I luv it.... Excuse me...why would you want to become a manager if the union guy makes more money then you do? You gotta give the manager a little more prestige and pay then the guy on the floor.
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Has mother kept you in a closet for the last 50 years? There is no economic relevance to the UAW in 2009 other than for it's own survival...at the cost of the American auto industry.
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History shows that the middle class rose and came into being because technology, capital and productivity made a person's knowledge valuable enough to retain and pay him accordingly. Prior to WWII most of this country was employed as day labor. Management didn't care who was hired because one worker could easily be replaced with another. Technology and Capital changed this, Unions didn't. A trained machine operator could not be easily replaced, his labor and bargaining position improved because the cost of replacement was greater than the increase in pay to retain his labor. If your theory was correct, then why didn't Unionization take off 1 or 2 generations earlier? The Union movement was around before the start of the 20th Century. You are assigning causation to the Union movement that the facts do not justify. The Unions ran out in front of a parade and are claiming credit for organizing and leading it. Things just didn't happen that way.
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