They're busy.



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1261154327.jpg

Bzzzt...wrong. Here in FLA (and several other states) we have a "stand your ground" law (The Castle Doctrine aka "Make My Day" law). We CAN blast someone, including an un-armed person, who puts us in fear of imminent bodily harm (e.g. attempting to gouge my eye out). We recently had a double-shooting (one perp dead) of two rednecks who were trying to get inside the cab of a black man's truck after a traffic altercation. He had the doors locked, but the rednecks were beating on the windows screaming racial epithets. He shot them both through the closed windows of the truck, killing one. The second perp is in jail. Black guy walked away without so much as a ticket for littering.

Calfornia has a "duty to retreat" law, which requires an individual to run away before deploying deadly force.

<link href="/gunlaws.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet"><script src="/gunlaws.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script language="JavaScript" src="qTip.js" type="text/JavaScript"></script><table width="90%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top">
Florida "Castle Doctrine" Protects the Innocent

Puts Judiciary on the side of crime victims



On March 23, 2005, The Florida Senate passed SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" unanimously, by a vote of 39 YEAS to zero NAYS. They know something about this bill.

On April 5, The Florida House passed SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" by a vote of 94 YEAS to 20 NAYS, a margin of better than four to one.

On April 26, Governor Jeb Bush SIGNED SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" into law (Chapter No. 2005-27) It takes effect on October 1, 2005.

The news media nationwide started in immediately with its “Gunshine State,” blood in the streets, Dirty Harry, vigilante, irrational mass murder nonsense, mythologies, lies and blatant unethical behavior.

A great deal of erroneous information has been written, published and spoken about Florida's new "Castle Doctrine" law.

Claims that the new law will turn Florida into the Wild West are not only an insult to intelligent people but give a patently false portrait of what the bill actually does.

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting otherwise. But these lowlifes might change their behavior if they knew their victims might fight back. I know it's illegal for a homeowner in AZ to shoot me for stealing their car out of their driveway. But I wouldn't want to test them, since most of them are armed and might not know they can't shoot me. High numbers of armed, honest people tend to keep crime down. Lowlifes allowed to run ramapant with impunity will not change without some huge change in their victims' behavior/mentality too.

These thugs have already realized that these unarmed, easy-going people make for easy victims. It's just a matter of time before they realize that they can up the score with guns.

Hell, the thugs don't need to waste their time with guns, knowing that most/all citizens are un-armed. See: Taking candy from a baby.

The primary problem described in the Haight is not people being physically attacked on the street or in their homes/cars. It is undesirables loitering around doorways, verbally abusing passerby. That's not grounds for deadly force even with a "castle doctrine".

I would step outside and give them a reason to attack me. Sometimes people need a little motivation... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/2ar15.gif

HOWEVER, in the Communist State of California, I do not have that option to clean-up my own neighborhood.

You nailed it. And this thread shows what a nation of scared little biotches we've become. A story about groups of punks on skateboards with no mention of shootings or robberies, (worst story is of a fist beating), everyone here thinks solution is carrying a gun. WTF are you going to do?? Pull your gun when they harass you?? Shoot a couple? Have fun with the murder charge. :rolleyes:

I handle jerks on my street the old-fashioned way. If there was a group of them every day, I'd pick up the phone and put together a football team that would send them running for Salinas. Doesn't anyone have sons/nephews/friends/etc. up there? Mentioning guns in this instance shows extreme cowardice. And believe me, I'm armed-up real good inside the crib. :cool:

+1

..and wth are the police doing with the political symbolism ?

Oh great, someone using their brain, thread killer ;)

This problem will not be solved by folks getting guns or even calling up a crew to put the thugs in their place. We can mentally masturbate all day about that. Bottom line is that the commies in the Bay Area expect the police to fix everything, so, until that happens, this problem will continue.

Link to that story? Not knowing any details my first question would be Why didn't the black dude just drive away from/over the rednecks? Was he stuck in traffic, broken down, or some other reason he couldn't step on the gas? Must be some other circumstances that saved him from murder charges.

I've softened about home defense weapons but armed citizens taking it to the streets does not sound like a reasonable approach - unless the country is being attacked or the rednecks were indeed redneck zombies.

Actually it's very satisfying.

They were at a stoplight. Rednecks truck was in front of the black guy's delivery van.

Castle Doctrine = no duty to flee. Someone attacks, you shoot, good kill.

Can't find a link to that article. I imagine it will pop up again when Redneck #2 goes on trial for the murder of his buddy.

Here's a FL story involving the Castle Doctrine:

Shooting of burglar in Sorrento was legal -- but 'sickening' -- OrlandoSentinel.com

Blah, blah, blah. I'm a pussy and a coward because I carry a gun. :rolleyes: Tell that to the Pelican in St. Louis(?) who was involved in a shooting inside his law office. Can't remember his name (KurtV?), but I'm sure you all remember the post from a few months ago.

Murder charge? In California, yes. Most other states that have reasonable laws allowing deadly force? No. Enjoy your communism, comrade.

So, you're going to get a bunch of your football buddies, form a vigilante mob and go kick some ass? Great. I'm POSITIVE you won't be charged with anything. California encourages vigilante mobs, no?

Then, after your football buddies go home, the dirtbags re-group and kick YOUR ass, rape your wife and burn down your house?

No thanks. I'll make it clean & simple by carrying/using my gun. Thanks for the advice, though.

Aint that the truth. Getting what they deserve...

Sometimes you can sum everything up with a single word. This is one of those times.

Spot on!

I might be up in SF this weekend, I'll drive by Haight/Ashbury and see what's up. Maybe do a drive-by pimp-slapping and head back to L.A. A little "Gran Torino", if you will.

Make sure you have the .45 with you