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GWN7 02-19-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194789)
I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

+1

He owes no one but his wife a explaination.

All the women that jumped up and said "Me Too!!" are looking for a payday

scottmandue 02-19-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dueller (Post 5194316)
So he's a great golfer but has character flaws. While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour, I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

But Duelly... baby... don't you know we are entitled to judge others. ;)

Seahawk 02-19-2010 02:29 PM

The difference between T and C is one is a golfer, beholden to absolutely no one other than the prurient, the other was an elected official who lied under oath.



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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194789)
I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I've never understood why Clinton agreed to answer some of the outrageously personal questions that were put to him.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.


Dottore 02-19-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 5194837)
The difference between T and C is one is a golfer, beholden to absolutely no one other than the prurient, the other was an elected official who lied under oath.

I appreciate the difference, and the problem of an elected official lying under oath.

My point is that Clinton should never have been asked many of the questions he was asked. They were an impertinence. And he certainly shouldn't have answered them.

He should, in my view, just have refused to answer.

There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.

Ditto for Tiger. I wish he'd show some cojones and just tell the media to feck off. But there's too much sponsorship money at stake I guess.

Seahawk 02-19-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194913)
There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.

It does given the clearances and the whole commander in chief thing. He was required, by the strictures of his elected office, to live by many the same rules I had to: moral clauses, financial disclosures, don't f the help, no dope smoking, etc...he left the privacy of the private sector behind when was elected. It is an argument best left to two glasses of scotch.

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194913)
Ditto for Tiger. I wish he'd show some cojones and just tell the media to feck off. But there's too much sponsorship money at stake I guess.

Agreed, with one caveat: There is no such thing as bad press in the long run...what a priceless reach for Nike.

Dottore 02-19-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 5194934)

It is an argument best left to two glasses of scotch.

.

You're on. But given the subject it should be scotch and cigars.

Seahawk 02-19-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194940)
You're on. But given the subject it should be scotch and cigars.

Yup...and I'll bring, "Redemption Song" from Marley.

Racerbvd 02-19-2010 04:23 PM

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My point is that Clinton should never have been asked many of the questions he was asked. They were an impertinence. And he certainly shouldn't have answered them.

He should, in my view, just have refused to answer.

There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.



Sorry, but he was already being investigated for sexual harassment, among other things.....
The History Place - Impeachment: Bill Clinton
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Paula Jones/President Bill Clinton

Staying in the realm of the government, President Clinton himself came under fire for alleged sexual harassment. Paula Jones was a state employee when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. In 1991, she claimed that Clinton exposed himself and asked her for oral sex in a hotel room. Clinton denied all allegations.

After several rounds of filing, Jones's lawsuit was dismissed for failing to state a claim. During the appeals process, a settlement was reached. Jones dropped her suit against Clinton in exchange for $850,000. However, she never received an admission of guilt or an apology.

Jones's allegations paved the way for investigating the President's sex life. The Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment of President Clinton were big follow-ups to the Paula Jones case.



onewhippedpuppy 02-19-2010 04:29 PM

Probably the best take I've seen on it: Bill Simmons on the Tiger Woods speech - ESPN

A few tidbits:

"Everything about it seemed staged. Everything. When the main camera broke down at the nine-minute mark and Tiger had to be shown from the side, I half-expected to see that he was plugged in to the wall."

"Whatever. I was going to leave it alone. After all, that had to have been a humiliating experience for the guy. But listening to talking heads praise that ludicrous speech pushed me over the edge. Someone actually said, "It came from the heart." It did? Was it C3PO's heart? I thought it seemed like an automated response from Microsoft's new "Cheater's Confession" program."

"He spoke for the next 13 and a half minutes. He spoke … like this. There was … no emotion … in his words. His face … was blank … and empty. Part of me … felt bad … for him. There were … a couple of moments … when it seemed … like … he was trying … to shed a tear … or have his voice catch … just for effect. You get … the idea."

"He came off like Schwarzenegger in "Terminator 2.""


All good stuff.:D Personally I could care less, the guy is a freaking GOLFER. Who he bangs, other than being amusing, has no effect on my life. But considering this joke of an apology, he would have been better off in hiding.

sjf911 02-19-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 5194969)
Yup...and I'll bring, "Redemption Song" from Marley.

Who's bringing the fish sauce to dip the cigars in?:D

McLovin 02-19-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194789)
IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

Tiger is far too big of a sell out to do that.

Buckterrier 02-19-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 5194098)
Well, after emerging from two months of sex therapy, his public speaking skills could now use some work. What a lousy speech, and worse yet, what a louse.

A long, drawn out canned apology from a canned man, and every L.A. radio station didn't miss the opportunity to completely ridicule him (I listened to it on the way in to work).

Honestly, he should have kept quiet and returned to the golf course to do the job the public expects of him.

Cast the first stone dude.

The man used the word cheat. Do you have any idea how difficult that was for him? He had the BALLS to say cheat. The whole speech, do you have any friggin' idea????

Whom ever you are glad you're perfect. :rolleyes:

pwd72s 02-19-2010 04:43 PM

Back to the chest thread...

motion 02-19-2010 05:38 PM

Tiger Woods makes me wish the internets were never born. I don't read newspapers or watch TV, but somehow I still trip across this crap on the internet.

Aurel 02-19-2010 06:08 PM

That Tiger interview spoof is pretty funny:

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HardDrive 02-19-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnywishbone (Post 5194584)
little people love to see big people fall.

+1

This thread is pathetic.

dd74 02-20-2010 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 5195019)
Cast the first stone dude.

The man used the word cheat. Do you have any idea how difficult that was for him? He had the BALLS to say cheat. The whole speech, do you have any friggin' idea????

Whom ever you are glad you're perfect. :rolleyes:

It sometimes seems the guys who defend cheaters are cheaters themselves. So how 'bout it Terrier? Been going out on Mrs. Terrier? :p

dd74 02-20-2010 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 5195207)
+1

This thread is pathetic.

And it took you three pages to figure that out. LOL! :rolleyes:

Buckterrier 02-20-2010 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 5195430)
It sometimes seems the guys who defend cheaters are cheaters themselves. So how 'bout it Terrier? Been going out on Mrs. Terrier? :p

I'm not defending him what so ever. Just saying someone that is so arrogant having to show humility is difficult at best.
And my personal life is none of your business.

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 5195432)
And it took you three pages to figure that out. LOL! :rolleyes:

You started the thread.

scottmandue 02-20-2010 07:26 AM

Ya know Tiger is a pretty smart guy... and he is surrounded by smart people (agents, lawyers. etc.)

I'm sure they all knew the best thing to do would to be keep silent and the whole thing would pass.

Obviously Tiger felt the need to apologize publicly... for whatever reason.

And yeah the speech was staged (duh) he is a golfer not a politician... he is not expected to give speeches.

imcarthur 02-20-2010 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 5195627)
Obviously Tiger felt the need to apologize publicly... for whatever reason.

Maybe Mrs. Tiger? She might have demanded a public apology to appease her very public humiliation. Good for her if so.

But the whole topic & the public fascination with it is ridiculous. But here I am reading & posting on this thread . . .

Ian

JCF 02-20-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 5195027)
Back to the chest thread...

I'm with Paul on this one.
I think he was just missing all the attention - you know with the Olympics going on and all.

Pathetic:
Him, , the media, this thread....

Oh and me for joining in.

targa911S 02-20-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 5194940)
You're on. But given the subject it should be scotch and cigars.

This is gonna be good! I'll supply the cigars for that one.

pbflyz 02-20-2010 10:01 PM

I like the Onion's version better:

Tiger Woods Announces Return To Sex | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
:D

Crowbob 02-21-2010 02:28 AM

Here I go; flame on. I don't have a lot of sympathy for Mrs. Woods, OK? I could put up w/ a LOT of humiliation for $.5B, which is her potential take. She just happened to be first in line to cement the deal via the matrimony route. From what I understand, Tiger is/was not the most astute playa in the world of goldigging broads. His persona was carefully crafted and maintained by top dollar PR pimps. It would be incredulous to presume Mrs. Woods isn't also taking lessons in PR. Call me uber cynical but Mrs Woods is not the total victim, here. This, contrary to the public perception, is my take on it.

widgeon13 02-21-2010 03:14 AM

This should make for an interesting return,

"Tiger Woods' caddy, Steve Williams, says he'd club hecklers"

Read more: Tiger Woods' caddy, Steve Williams, says he'd club hecklers

Talk about whores:mad:

JCF 02-21-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 5196785)
This should make for an interesting return,

"Tiger Woods' caddy, Steve Williams, says he'd club hecklers"

Read more: Tiger Woods' caddy, Steve Williams, says he'd club hecklers

Talk about whores:mad:


Macho man "Stevie" has quite a bit to lose as well - either way.
I'd let him take a shot at me....seems like there's still plenty of room on the gravy train.
All aboard !

Tobra 02-21-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 5194452)
Shirley, you can't be serious. If he was truly contrite, he'd not have had to read from a prepared statement. Why even bother? Just send it out as a press release or read it on his website. Standing there after a few weeks of coaching and having his lawyers and PR folks write up that statement and then reading it like a robot was nothing more than a PR stunt. None of this is anyone's business other than his and his wife's. Going public like this just screams he's trying to either feel good about himself again or get sponsors to want to pick him back up.

Just so, utterly insincere, doing it for expediency. He is not taking his rehab deal seriously, which will eventually come out.

I think "Sex Addiction" is a contrived diagnosis, but that is irrelevant
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 5195432)
And it took you three pages to figure that out. LOL! :rolleyes:

heh heh


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