Tiger...redux
 

Well, after emerging from two months of sex therapy, his public speaking skills could now use some work. What a lousy speech, and worse yet, what a louse.

A long, drawn out canned apology from a canned man, and every L.A. radio station didn't miss the opportunity to completely ridicule him (I listened to it on the way in to work).

Honestly, he should have kept quiet and returned to the golf course to do the job the public expects of him.

The "news" world has gone mad. They preempted programing for a cheating louse to give his BS story. What the hell is the world coming from. This is news? I'm tempted to e mail all the PD's at those stations to complain, but as long as the rest of the world stops to look at the wreck it will fall on deaf ears. What a crock of crap.

He really had that "deer in the headlights" look. Did you catch the use of the word "entitled"? Another douche. If his Father was still alive, he'd give this little prick the a$$ whoopin' he deserves.

A little "tiger song"

YouTube - Tiger & Whores - Floyd Tucker

the lamestream media has to make this something, they wouldn't talk about Edwards and his affairs so this is how they show us they are on top of things. To me, big deal, I don't understand him but I don't care. He isn't in politics, he would never be in politics. He is just like any other hollywood celeb. If he can get his hot wife back and play golf he will be lucky. I don't care about it. I do like to watch him golf. If I were him I wouldn't say squat, just tell the reporters he isn't talking about it, ask me about golf.

The media has sunk to a new low giving this scumbag preemptive air time for his dirty laundry. I don't care how good he plays golf.

Boy you guys are harsh... I don't think his personal life is any of our business (just between him and his family). That said our voyeuristic society demanded an "apology". He complied, now let's move on.

Yeah, big deal, they are all "adults" if his wife takes him back, it's up to her. Hillary stayed with Bill, Edward's wife stuck by him for a long time, Koby's wife took him back after the 4 mill diamond ring, if she stays with Tiger there will be some money invested in her future. Vick is playing football and he was a dog killer. What did this guy do that was worse than any of those?

Why would his dad give tiger a whoopin?

Where do you think Tiger learned his cheating ways from? His mom and dad didn't live in separate houses for no reason.

Wow. That's harsh. I'm not saying he's a saint but c'mon. He said a lot of good things and completely owned his actions. Not once did he point to anything and say "not my fault". He squarely admitted feeling above the rules and entitled. Made no excuses and realizes his role in the world and his foundation for the advancement of education.

I thought he did well and I'm no Tiger honk.

It looked like he was having a had time holding it together. That says "I'm vulnerable and ashamed". That's a real feeling of contrition.

Now, for the long term? We'll see. But I think he's on his way. That first step is never easy.

Then why do you think he gave a public apology, and made his private life public?

That's fully his choice, he could keep his private life private if he so chooses.

Because it was a no-win situation. The media made it a big deal, and if he didn't "respond" in some fashion, he'd be accused of running, hiding, and being "in denial". Unfortunately, he had no choice.

My point is that the media world actually stopped spinning for a moment while he went to confession.
Couldn't he have done this with privacy? He's just a golfer.

Looks like he did a pretty good job for quite a while, he kept it pretty private, but now he wants to get back to golf and people will always be asking questions, he had to try. I wouldn't do it, just go back to golf and it will die in six months. Why do more people care about this than cared about Monica?

Everybody has a choice.

He could chose to just not say anything. He can choose to continue playing golf. Or not play golf. If he wants to stay out of the public limelight, he can easily do it (as was proven over the last few months).

To say that Tiger woods has no choice in his life is crazy.

He should have gone to the mic and stated "so, do you think that you're hot enough to sleep with me? --Bring it! "


...I really haven't followed this nonsense.

His righ thand is probably too sore to play golf.

So what? Everyone realizes the impertinence of the media. I believe more people would be on Tiger's side if he were to ignore them and return to either rehab or golf without a word a public word in his own defense. But really, he's no smarter, cleaner, wiser or dedicated than any other sleazeball out there because he gave a statement. He's a mockery.

Secondly, at the outset, it was Tiger's choice to make Tiger a public figure. He participated in a multitude of traditional and internet media to increase his public personae. By his actions alone, he became one of the most visible athletes on Earth.

Couldn't help not following it this morning. Well, sure, I could have tuned into Spanish radio, but Tiger's long-winded mea culpa was broadcast there too. :rolleyes:

Do you really think I meant that he literally had "no choice"? Of course he had a choice, but it was figuratively between being shot or hung. The point is that he would be criticized no matter what he did. He made a choice to apologize, so what the freaking big deal? Personally, I don't care whether he apologized or not. Why do you?

Yep. Same experience here. (which is also SoCal) ...I kept on changing stations. --sheesh, it's everywhere.

I don't think that's a fair judgement call.

A public statement won't clean anyone up, but a couple of months of rehab may.

It is very difficult to gauge one's path to recovery -- only Tiger knows his own heart. And his recovery is completely up to him -- based on how seriously he deals with his addiction, and how willing is he to change his ways. There's probably a boat load of skelatons in that man's closet that will now be needing to be dealt with.

-Z-man.

I will say that although I don't care whether he apologized or not, I do agree that it shouldn't be expected that he apologize.... If that's where you're coming from, I agree with you. And upon further consideration, you're right, my saying he "had no choice", was a poor way of expressing my take the situation.

There's a boat's load of women -- that's for sure. One being an ex-porn star that he pursued.

Which brings up something even more interesting about his "addiction." To me, addiction is when one can't stop themselves, no matter the given circumstances. Sex addiction would seem on par with serial rapist, IMO. In Tiger's case, as a pursuer, he seems more like a womanizer. I think the sex addict stuff is an easy out -- again, H'wood sleaziness.

And his apology? Contrived doesn't begin to explain it.

Yes, Hollywood.. But at least you have Gloria Allred, fighting for the poor hooker who BELIEVED the married Tiger. Boy is SHE owed an apology. And certainly all she wants is an apology, and NOT a stack of cash.

Why do you people even care who he was bangin, the big problem I see is none of them were half as good looking as his wife. I would have to have a mask of her for their faces if it was me doing it. The only problem I see is in his taste.

IRONY

I read an AP article about his apology and at the bottom of the article there was this priceless tidbit

WTF? No one would have know about her if she hadn't open her big fat mouth and admitted it and is now on the radio. She's not only a whore but a fame whore as well!

That had to be tough for Woods. And I don't think it was to salvage his sponsorship deals, etc. I think he was truly contrite.

As to the need to apologize to the ones he hurt with his actions, that's one of the first steps to personal recovery. I think he was most sincere when he told the media to leave his children out of this...stop stalking them on the way to school, etc.

I do think there was a need for the public contrition...he is a product of the media and he is the figurehead for a number of publicly supported charities/foundations, so I think that is the venue where he should apologize.

So he's a great golfer but has character flaws. While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour, I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

If he moves forward from this point and privately tries to salvage his life without doing the Oprah show, he will have my respect.

Concur.

Does he have cancer or something? What's he recovering from?

John Daly had flaws. But he was just a drunk on the green. Tiger's character flaws are a bit deeper and more resentful because of the public personae he pursued.

Who of us, said this?

And thus, he's a victim of himself. 'Kay.

Yeah, he's sorry, sorry he got caught.

Wealth and character are strange bedfellows.

I would suppose that my man Dueller has quite a bit of experience in judging whether or not a person really means their apology.

Shirley, you can't be serious. If he was truly contrite, he'd not have had to read from a prepared statement. Why even bother? Just send it out as a press release or read it on his website. Standing there after a few weeks of coaching and having his lawyers and PR folks write up that statement and then reading it like a robot was nothing more than a PR stunt. None of this is anyone's business other than his and his wife's. Going public like this just screams he's trying to either feel good about himself again or get sponsors to want to pick him back up.

little people love to see big people fall.

Does he think that people are NOT going to say things about it on the golf course?

The hecklers will have a field day!!!

It's just sad that this part of his life will be an asterisk next to his name forever.

He was/is a great golfer.

Speaking of "canned" statements...:rolleyes:

The strange thing is in 6 months time he will be old news and back on the golf circut just like he always was. Who was it; Kate Moss with cocaine, she got dropped by the sponsors and now that Tiger's come along (and a few other A-listers who have fallen from grace) her activities are forgotten about and it's Kate with the nip slip, and "oh so beautiful Kate" again. Tiger's just hoping for someone bigger than himself to mess up soon.

I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I've never understood why Clinton agreed to answer some of the outrageously personal questions that were put to him.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

Yes, he could have and I think should have done that. And none, really would be the wiser.

The local media seemed surprised when it was announced he would be speaking.

The irony, I imagine, is they sort of forgot Tiger in lieu of Winter Olympic games, IRS Terrorists, et al. But now he's back with a...ahem...roar.

Personally I wish they would just drop all this coverage of Tiger.

It is making it difficult to get the latest updates on Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan!

Not to mention how am I to keep up with that red headed snowboarder!

The media has some messed up priorities if you ask me!

And what about Rosie O'Donnell's unfortunate childhood?