Waterboarding

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Why are U.S. Military personnel waterboarded?

The exact question I was going to ask. Everyone likes to bring up the SERE examples, but it is well established that it is done - the more important question is why is it done?

[targa911S]

Do they hook electrodes to yer balls as part of training too?

[Rikao4]

why..
to give you an idea of what you may face..
everyone will babble at some point..
it's like DE..

Rika

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Why would a POW face waterboarding?

[Rikao4]

terrorist are not POW..
McCain was a POW..

Rika

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

terrorist are not POW..
McCain was a POW..

Rika

Originally Posted by James Brown

Remember that waterboarding is just a part of pow training for selected military personel who might be captured during combat. Like aircrews and specal ops types. The thought is to simulate as close as possible conditions one might experance if captured and how to handle yourself and resist to the best of your ability. It reenforced me to never be captured!

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Why would a POW face waterboarding?

Please reconcile.

[johnnywishbone]

"Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Why are U.S. Military personnel waterboarded?"

in sere school, anyone can drop out at any time. the young men are there because they want to be. they are volunteers. they want to be tested. they won't run from combat or nasty situations. to remove or lessen the fear of waterboarding is a good thing. the unknown is worse than 3 or 4 minutes in hell. if waterboarding isn't offered in class, the guys will do it off-base. you will not find an lot of wise old people in sere training. i was going to say, "no vaginas either", but air crews and the modern military, i'm not sure.

[Rikao4]

POW= in military uniform when caught...

SERE training..
how not to get caught & survive while running..
+ you get a head's up of what could happen if caught..

Rika

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

+ you get a head's up of what could happen if caught..

Rika

Why would a member of our Military, as a POW, face waterboarding, if caught?

[johnnywishbone]

"Why would a member of our Military, as a POW, face waterboarding, if caught?"

the technique is reasonably effective, leaves no marks, hard to prove. little special equipment required. less messy than some alternatives.

[Rikao4]

IMO
some of our guys who did get caught
would have preferred waterboarding..
but hanging by your arms of the ground..
with your arms BEHIND you for hrs...
is much more humane..

Rika

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

"Why would a member of our Military, as a POW, face waterboarding, if caught?"

the technique is reasonably effective, leaves no marks, hard to prove. little special equipment required. less messy than some alternatives.

Why is the technique effective on the members of our Military?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Interesting thing to study is how other countries torture. The one that I have heard is one of the worst is in the Middle East where they turn the captive over to the women in the tribe, who then have a free hand to do whatever is needed.

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

~Kipling

It's war out there gentlemen.

"War is not nice."
~Barbara Bush

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Why is the technique effective on the members of our Military?

The same reason it's effective on the enemy. People don't like the sensation of drowning.

At all.

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Why would a POW face waterboarding?

Is the T-shirt business really this slow today? What a stupid question.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

IMO
some of our guys who did get caught
would have preferred waterboarding..
but hanging by your arms of the ground..
with your arms BEHIND you for hrs...
is much more humane..

Rika

Let's leave emotion out of it and stick to the topic at hand.

better yet, let's just have it out:

There are many around the world that believe waterboarding is an effective method for extracting information from the best that our Military has to offer. if you agree with that, then you must agree that it is torture, the logic being the best our Military has to offer would not offer any information unless they were tortured. And the Military prepares for this scenario.

Do I personally think it's torture? When used on military and paramilitary (terrorists and the like), no, I do not believe it's torture. Why? Because as part of your training, you can effectively prepare for it. You cannot prepare for the removal of limbs, you cannot prepare for burns by heat or chemicals, you cannot prepare for hanging, etc. Furthermore, when you join the military or similar, part of the job description is death. In this way, waterboarding is not torture.

Is waterboarding torture for non-military personnel? Let's say Rick Lee has his way and he's able to torture innocent family members of terrorists captured as part of any ongoing campaign. If these innocent family members, like the parents of the underwear bomber, were waterboarded, that would be torture.

To recap: for military and paramilitary, waterboarding is not torture as it can be reasonably prepared for as part of your training. For citizens, it is torture.

[johnnywishbone]

"Why is the technique effective on the members of our Military?"

performed by who? if performed in training, read post 47. in the real world, i think the
technique would be effective on anyone except james bond.

[m21sniper]

Your logic is utterly flawed T-shirt man.

Interrogation is effective at extracting info at times. Is that torture? Or are you just obtuse?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

"Why is the technique effective on the members of our Military?"

performed by who? if performed in training, read post 47. in the real world, i think the
technique would be effective on anyone except james bond.

then you believe it is torture.

[Rikao4]

again ..
terrorist are not part of any Military..
and their not civies..
surf's up..

Rika

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

again ..
terrorist are not part of any Military..
and their not civies..
surf's up..

Rika

Terrorists train as Military.

Military, paramilitary, terrorists: waterboarding is not torture.

Civilians: waterboarding is torture.