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speeder 03-10-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 5228347)
I'm Sorry Denis, and all, that IMO Corey Haim (in life) was a d-bag. I guess I just had the misfortune of seeing that "Two Coreys" show and that's the memory that sticks with me.

This youtube clip shows that he "(in life) was a d-bag" (?) :confused:

It seems to show that he was molested as an adolescent and has had a hard life including drug addiction. I've spent a good part of my life helping people exactly like that. I sure hope we never meet.

bell 03-10-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 5228582)
I am. I'm just not posting about it on the internet. Take a lesson.



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You do have a good point, though, Bill. You guys have a good day!!!!!SmileWavy

Great reply jeremy :D

Tobra 03-10-2010 09:05 PM

It is pretty impressive the number of child stars who have lived pretty tragic lives. It has always seemed to me that their families failed them.

m21sniper 03-10-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 5228582)
I am. I'm just not posting about it on the internet. Take a lesson.

You should take a lesson- and tell us about yours! LOL.

15 whole posts a day, oh my god, with my typing speed, that's almost 5 minutes of my time! I've been on workers comp for a whole year, give a squirrel a break. :D

Vonzipper 03-10-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5228553)
I find it a depressing state of affairs when rock stars spend all day on internet forums.
Honestly never even heard of that band though. Is it rock?


That was a Dbag thing to say, no respect

m21sniper 03-11-2010 12:13 AM

Thank you for your opinion.

In an thread where a guy is unloading on a dead man (as gogar- and for that matter, I- did), i don't really see how you can call foul when someone says something you "perceive" to be jerked off.

What was douche that i said? Cause i never heard of his band?

JE928sx4 03-11-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lm6y (Post 5227910)
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38 years old. The guy was a trainwreck, but man that's young.

Wow....never saw that coming.......not.........I'm surprised he made it this long. I expected Leif Garret to kick off before him though.........maybe he's next......$5 bet anyone?

JE928sx4 03-11-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 5229405)
It seems to show that he was molested as an adolescent......

Michael Jackson did it.....seriously......the other Corey outed him on that as I recall.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 01:35 AM

Ugh, no wonder.

craigster59 03-11-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 5229405)
This youtube clip shows that he "(in life) was a d-bag" (?) :confused:

It seems to show that he was molested as an adolescent and has had a hard life including drug addiction. I've spent a good part of my life helping people exactly like that. I sure hope we never meet.

I didn't weigh in earlier on this thread feeling that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. But I did work with Corey Haim when he was younger (17) and let's just say professionalism and puncuality were lacking (but hey, weren't we all a little irresponsible in our teen years).

Having dealt with friends and family members and their addictions, I know the road to recovery is never easy. Some make it and some don't. But to say he had a "hard" life is a bit of a misstatement. Being a popular, well paid actor with the world as your oyster and you piss it away can be construed as bad choices, a bit of bad luck maybe even a "boy, did I screw that up" moment. Time to "man up", grow a pair and start showing some care and respect for those that love and are concerned for you. He had a lot of services and resources available to him that many of us wouldn't be able to afford.

But to go thru rehab 15 times? Maybe not a d-bag, more like a narcissistic/nihilistic d-bag.

creaturecat 03-11-2010 09:15 AM

So. What happened ?
Yesterday: "I didn't weigh in earlier on this thread feeling that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Today : "Maybe not a d-bag, more like a narcissistic/nihilistic d-bag."

Going to rehab 15 times? This, to me, would indicate a desire to beat the addiction. No luck.
Do you feel better, now that the "d-bag" is dead?

nostatic 03-11-2010 09:26 AM

Some people just don't want to get sober. It is hard work. Everyone has character flaws - it is how you deal with them that counts. I didn't know the guy so I can't comment about him specifically. There are those that like to blame everyone else for their misery, yet they aren't willing to step up and take command of their own problems and destiny. Going to rehab 15 times doesn't do any good if you really aren't willing to do the work.

craigster59 03-11-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by creaturecat (Post 5230501)
So. What happened ?
Yesterday: "I didn't weigh in earlier on this thread feeling that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Today : "Maybe not a d-bag, more like a narcissistic/nihilistic d-bag."

Going to rehab 15 times? This, to me, would indicate a desire to beat the addiction. No luck.
Do you feel better, now that the "d-bag" is dead?

The thread is timely because I've been going through this with my cousin for awhile and it's at a point where I've had to come to the realization that there is nothing more I can do but prepare myself for his demise. 40 years old, professional musician who watched his father and brother both die from alcohol and is on the same path. I realize that there are some genetics involved, but it comes down to the fact that unless HE wants to change my participation is pointless.

He's on the street at the end of the month, no job, no car, no money. I've done all I can do and it is now up to him. And before you ask, I love him and worry about him but he's a d-bag also for continuing this behavior after all that his friends and family have tried to do for him. Wallowing in self pity and having others make excuses for your f*ed up behavior is mentally and emotionally draining for those who care about you and completely selfish.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5230544)
Some people just don't want to get sober. It is hard work.

It's not hard work at all.

Just do it.

Some people are just weak.

nostatic 03-11-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5230963)
It's not hard work at all.

really? Care to share about your substance abuse problems and ongoing sobriety?

Crowbob 03-11-2010 01:40 PM

Now that we've veered into sub. abuse, I feel it may be relevant to point out that it is growing faster and is more pervasive than ever. Young people are not completely oblivious to what 's happening to their futures. Many are just along for the ride as far as the train will take them. Along with the economic collapse is a social collapse. It looked like teenage angst and rebel w/o a cause took a breather during the 90's. What really happened is they stayed under the radar. People 30 and under are very, very angry and dejected, especially the males. Females are catching up, though. Dos centavos mios.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5230975)
really? Care to share about your substance abuse problems and ongoing sobriety?

Sure.

I quit coke, booze, and cigarettes cold turkey and have never once gone back for any of them (see booze below for clarification).

Haven't done a line since i was 16- quit cause i sold my guitar for the stuff and said, "whoa, wtf....". Had a drink in any sort of a destructive way since i was early 20s (Was a big drinker in the Army, MAYBE i'll have 2 weak screwdrivers on new years, but usually not), and haven't smoked a cigarette or cigar (former 2 pack a day smoker) since 2004.

I quit them all cold turkey.

It's a simple matter of will power.

Either you have it, or you don't.

I do- Corey Haim didn't.

Simple as that.

People who cannot quit on demand are just weak (or haunted by something else, which means the drugs are not really the problem to begin with). Sorry.

nostatic 03-11-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5231021)

People who cannot quit on demand are just weak (or haunted by something else, which means the drugs are not really the problem to begin with). Sorry.

gee, ya think?

TerryBPP 03-11-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5231021)
Sure.

I quit coke, booze, and cigarettes cold turkey and have never once gone back for any of them.

Haven't done a line since i was 16- quit cause i sold my guitar for the stuff and said, "whoa, wtf....". Had a drink in any sort of a destructive way since i was early 20s (Was a big drinker in the Army, MAYBE i'll have 2 weak screwdrivers on new years, but usually not), and haven't smoked a cigarette or cigar (former 2 pack a day smoker) since 2004.

I quit them all cold turkey.

It's a simple matter of will power.

Either you have it, or you don't.

I do- Corey Haim didn't.

Simple as that.

People who cannot quit on demand are just weak (or haunted by something else, which means the drugs are not really the problem to begin with). Sorry.

But you weren't trying to drowned out the scene of dude's hands on your junk. I'd be a mess too. Girls hit the pole, guys hit the pills. FACT

m21sniper 03-11-2010 02:12 PM

I agree about Michael Jackson and the kid's junk.

I don't know how anyone could survive that one and remain emotionally intact.

Racerbvd 03-11-2010 02:40 PM

Come on guys, other than a few bad movies, some pretty funny ones (at the time) he did nothing to affect the lives on anyone on this board, so why not let him rest in peace...
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m21sniper 03-11-2010 02:42 PM

I liked his movies back then. And believe it or not young girls still love the Lost boys.

Apollo 03-11-2010 02:47 PM

Why are you like this? We are flesh and blood-Human-not weak.Why this tough guy,everyones pathetic if they have a problem stance? I think there's something going on deep down that you need to deal with.


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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5231021)
Sure

I quit coke, booze, and cigarettes cold turkey and have never once gone back for any of them (see booze below for clarification).

Haven't done a line since i was 16- quit cause i sold my guitar for the stuff and said, "whoa, wtf....". Had a drink in any sort of a destructive way since i was early 20s (Was a big drinker in the Army, MAYBE i'll have 2 weak screwdrivers on new years, but usually not), and haven't smoked a cigarette or cigar (former 2 pack a day smoker) since 2004.

I quit them all cold turkey.

It's a simple matter of will power.

Either you have it, or you don't.

I do- Corey Haim didn't.

Simple as that.

People who cannot quit on demand are just weak (or haunted by something else, which means the drugs are not really the problem to begin with). Sorry.


Crowbob 03-11-2010 03:04 PM

Snipe is like this because he is flesh and blood-Human-not weak. Give him a break. He's been on comp for over a year. The guy is not able to support himself and you say he's got problems. Just because you think he has unresolved emotional problems doesn't mean he actually does. He owns nothing, loves no one, hates cops, hasn't eaten a vegetable in years, spends all day on the interwebs and all night on the skan...ladies, and can't afford a haircut but yet you say he's got problems; deep seated, unresolved and probably unrecognized ones at that. You a shrink or sumthin'?

herr_oberst 03-11-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231213)
He owns nothing, loves no one, hates cops, hasn't eaten a vegetable in years, spends all day on the interwebs and all night on the skan...ladies, and can't afford a haircut

We know far, far, far too much about Snipe.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Apollo (Post 5231185)
Why are you like this? We are flesh and blood-Human-not weak.Why this tough guy,everyones pathetic if they have a problem stance? I think there's something going on deep down that you need to deal with.

Some people are strong, some people are not.

Some people can score a 297 on the Army PT test, some people can not.
Some people can quit, because they're strong. Some people cannot, because they're weak.

Is this really news to you?

m21sniper 03-11-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231213)
Snipe is like this because he is flesh and blood-Human-not weak. Give him a break. He's been on comp for over a year. The guy is not able to support himself and you say he's got problems. Just because you think he has unresolved emotional problems doesn't mean he actually does. He owns nothing, loves no one, hates cops, hasn't eaten a vegetable in years, spends all day on the interwebs and all night on the skan...ladies, and can't afford a haircut but yet you say he's got problems; deep seated, unresolved and probably unrecognized ones at that. You a shrink or sumthin'?

I would give you a reverse analysis, but i honestly don't care enough about you to have ever constructed a composite. I don't even know what you do for a living...no interest.

Thanks for paying such close attention to my posts though. Your concern is gripping.

Sorry, but strong people realize they have a problem and quit. Generally speaking, they don't need other people's help.
Weak people fail. Over and over. Doesn't matter how much help you give them.

Just the way it is.

I am "like this" because i pay attention to reality.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 05:17 PM

How surprised would you be to know i spend most of my days reading and writing poetry?
Light hearted, hopeful poetry at that.

There is the dream world that lives in poetry, and there is the real world.

In the real world, Corey Haim was weak, and now he's dead. Life goes on.
Say what you want about me, but i have time. To me, that's worth more than all the money in the world.

onlycafe 03-11-2010 05:46 PM

better to have time than to do time.

Normy 03-11-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231213)
Snipe is like this because he is flesh and blood-Human-not weak. Give him a break. He's been on comp for over a year. The guy is not able to support himself and you say he's got problems. Just because you think he has unresolved emotional problems doesn't mean he actually does. He owns nothing, loves no one, hates cops, hasn't eaten a vegetable in years, spends all day on the interwebs and all night on the skan...ladies, and can't afford a haircut but yet you say he's got problems; deep seated, unresolved and probably unrecognized ones at that. You a shrink or sumthin'?

I tend to agree with this last. If what Sniper stated was true regarding quitting drugs and cigarettes and largely quitting alcohol consumption, then I think he deserves congratulations. That is an impressive feat, and he should be proud of it.

What is kind of wrong is to destructively criticize someone after they are dead. There is nothing wrong with talking about their problems and their inability to overcome them, but flogging a dead horse does nothing but waste time and pixels, and it tends to piss people off.

It is sad that nobody could "reach" this guy and get him past his addictions. As stated before, I think that many addicts just don't have the strength or the true desire to quit their dangerous behavior, mostly the later.

Oh well, too late now. RIP-

N

Crowbob 03-11-2010 06:37 PM

Now just hang on a sec. there, Snipe. You have no interest in me because I don't go throwing out definitive statements about my proclivities toward the unconventional expecting and hoping to elicit some response from, well, almost complete strangers. Nor do I have some psychotic infantile need to do same. Had I such weakened and damged self esteem, you would be interested. You confuse my inquisitive amusement with concern, by the way. But, nevetheless, I think you're salvageable in due time, of course. But only you can decide when you are ready to realize you have a problem, if you have the strength.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 06:48 PM

No, i just have never found you to be interesting.

If you even know all this about me, you obviously find me interesting enough to read my posts. So hey, thanks for caring.

Crowbob 03-11-2010 07:15 PM

Of course you're interesting. You work hard at it and it shows. But back to topic. Like Normy said, I also do admire people who manage to break their addictions. Unfortunately, most replace them with other addictions such as casual sex, the interwebs or other obsessions such as hoplophilia, etc.

silverwhaletail 03-11-2010 09:05 PM

addictions
 
everybody is, more or less, addicted to something.

the trick it seems, is to have socially acceptable addictions in which case people don't call them "addictions" they call them "positive character traits."

working your a$$ off, for instance, is considered a "positive character trait." I am smart enough to know that it is an addiction. this particular addiction throws off a by-product that people view as positive (money).

but its still an addiction. anything that keeps you from enjoying today because of the anxiety of tomorrow (more work = more money) is an addiction.

but people don't ridicule you, generally, for compulsive working/making money. unless you are Walmart of course.

slodave 03-11-2010 09:11 PM

So far, the reports of the initial autopsy show an enlarged heart and lungs filled with fluid. We'll have to wait and see for the toxicology results.

Autopsy shows Haim had enlarged heart, manager says - CNN.com
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Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The autopsy on Corey Haim revealed the actor's heart was enlarged and his lungs were filled with water when he died, Haim's manager said.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231710)
Of course you're interesting. You work hard at it and it shows. But back to topic. Like Normy said, I also do admire people who manage to break their addictions. Unfortunately, most replace them with other addictions such as casual sex, the interwebs or other obsessions such as hoplophilia, etc.

What's wrong with casual sex? :D

m21sniper 03-11-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by silverwhaletail (Post 5231870)
everybody is, more or less, addicted to something.

the trick it seems, is to have socially acceptable addictions in which case people don't call them "addictions" they call them "positive character traits."

working your a$$ off, for instance, is considered a "positive character trait." I am smart enough to know that it is an addiction. this particular addiction throws off a by-product that people view as positive (money).

but its still an addiction. anything that keeps you from enjoying today because of the anxiety of tomorrow (more work = more money) is an addiction.

but people don't ridicule you, generally, for compulsive working/making money. unless you are Walmart of course.

Agreed. Great post actually.

A man that is addicted to work and neglects his family is almost as bad as a junkie in many ways.

I probably do have an internet addiction- but it largely cured my TV addiction! :D
Being single always cures my video game addiction, whereas being in a relationship cures my poontang addiction....driving me back to video games.

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPP ME BOB!!!! :D

JE928sx4 03-11-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231710)
or other obsessions such as hoplophilia, etc.

Which apprears to be a pretty common obsession on this forum.

onlycafe 03-11-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 5231710)
obsessions such as hoplophilia, etc.


don't drag hoppy into this.

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RANDY P 03-11-2010 11:55 PM

Addicts are the most selfish, irrational people on the face of the planet. If you can kick those habits you're stronger than most. What a sober person takes for granted as normal rational thought a dopehead can't.

Ever notice how dopeheads just manage to get into random trouble all the time? Even when they aren't high? It screws up your thought processes even when you're going through the day.

It's beyond just trying to quit- most simply cannot.- substance abuse is above willpower 99 times out of 100. I'm around them literally daily and I'll tell ya they just don't make any sense and they can't help it.

With that said I'm an occasional power drinker no dope though.

rjp


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