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epbrown 03-11-2010 09:14 AM

Solstice GXP purchase - this could get interesting...
 
Much as I love my M Coupe, I had a hankering for a convertible. I considered a 986 because I thought the mid-engined experience would be interesting, but there's a fire sale on the Pontiac Solstice right now and I was curious on a couple of fronts. For one, I haven't owned a US brand since my Chevette right after high school, and I wanted to see if things have changed in the ensuing decades. For another, I've always had a bias against turbocharged cars, finding them laggy; thinking on it, I realized that was almost 30 years ago.

Another factor is that I was there for the concept debut and voted for Pontiac to make it, and I've been curious how the car turned out. So, here it is:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268331065.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268331108.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268331149.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268331170.jpg

It's only been a day, but impressions are overall favorable. I'll post again when I've spent more time with the car.

cashflyer 03-11-2010 09:32 AM

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I suggest you check them out.
DDMWorks Solstice Products

legion 03-11-2010 09:34 AM

They made a couple hundred Solstice GXP coupes (have targa tops) before they shut production down. If you could score one of those, that would be the Solstice to get. Much more usable trunk space than the Solstice cab with the absence of the roof mechanism.

vash 03-11-2010 09:42 AM

i miss a convertible. if i had to have one, i would get a used S2000 or hell, even a new jeep rubicon.

the solstice is a tiny blip on my radar...tiny.

epbrown 03-11-2010 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 5230648)
They made a couple hundred Solstice GXP coupes (have targa tops) before they shut production down. If you could score one of those, that would be the Solstice to get. Much more usable trunk space than the Solstice cab with the absence of the roof mechanism.

I like the coupe and tried to rationalize getting one, but since I've already got the Z4 M Coupe, getting a 2nd 2-seat coupe - even with the targa top - just didn't appeal as much. I don't think they'll be collectables, as many are suggesting, but I see the makings of a small, dedicated fan base, similar to the Z3 M Coupe.

Pazuzu 03-11-2010 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 5230800)
I don't think they'll be collectables, as many are suggesting, but I see the makings of a small, dedicated fan base, similar to the Z3 M Coupe.

Actually, I got the impression that I was the ONLY one suggesting that :D

Talewinds 03-11-2010 12:14 PM

First let me say thanks for all of your contributions on the Z4M forums!
What made you decide Solstice rather than Boxster?

m21sniper 03-11-2010 12:15 PM

We argued about these here a few months ago. I really like them. Good luck with it!!!

The Turbo cars will absolutely, positively be collectible one day.

masraum 03-11-2010 12:20 PM

The biggest complaint that I've heard about the skystice is the trunk and the fact that when the top is down, there is no trunk, just the place where the top goes when it's down.

I read several reviews/comparisons of the skystice (solstice and/or sky) and Miata when they both came out. Comparing the base models, the cars were very equal in performance. The Solstice came with 177hp, the Miata came with 170, but the miata was a little lighter than the Solstice. The miata was more agile, but the solstice had more tire, so they both held their line about the same. Times on a track were pretty darn close. Acceleration and braking were pretty close.

One of the reviews said that the Miata was biased towards the sportscar driving experience, but the Solstice was more of a Cruiser, but their performance is about equal. Of course, the turbo had about 90 more hp.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 12:53 PM

With a reprogrammed ECU and a good exhaust/downpipe that little Pontiac Turbo should absolutely haul ass.

DUK 03-11-2010 01:13 PM

I heard that there are no spare body panels in the GM system. I would try and check this out before purchasing. Last time the dealer here checked it was n.b.o. on them.

m21sniper 03-11-2010 01:14 PM

Aftermarket companies will take up the slack.

onewhippedpuppy 03-11-2010 02:04 PM

We've already concluded that they will be worth eleventy-billion dollars someday, so you've made a good investment.;)

Pazuzu 03-11-2010 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 5231217)
We've already concluded that they will be worth eleventy-billion dollars someday, so you've made a good investment.;)

No, only the 700 or so GXP coupe 5-speed will be valuable.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a dunderhead.

911boost 03-11-2010 02:13 PM

I think they are cool little cars. Just don't put carbon fibre body panels and crap on it.

+1 to what sniper said about tweaking the turbo a little.

masraum 03-11-2010 02:26 PM

I like the way the Solstice looks. Reminds me of something out of the 50s/60s a little. The sky has the angular thing going on ala Cadillac. I'm not as fond of that (although, I do like the SRX and SLR [aesthetics] for some inexplicable reason).

I'd probably enjoy a Solstice turbo.

Rufblackbird 03-11-2010 02:43 PM

I like the Sky more because of the angular caddy look...to me it looks like a mini 'vette. However the Solstice would be just as fun.

I heard when they first came out people complained about their ergonomics. I sat in a Sky two years ago at an auto show and while I fit perfectly, access to some of the switches/buttons (like power windows) were a bit awkward.

Arizona_928 03-11-2010 06:33 PM

I love them. Was able to get one for a rental for acouple days, just pure fun.

epbrown 03-11-2010 10:43 PM

Thanks for the comments, everyone. Some responses:

Pazuzu - pretty much everyone on the Solstice forums sees the coupe as a future collectable, but they're a bit biased. ;)

Talewinds - didn't know I was (in)famous on the Z4 forums. I was psyched about getting the Boxster, but the Solstice has a bit of the "road less traveled" to it, since I've done the Porsche thing before.The Solstice, the M Coupe, maybe I've got a weakness for orphaned cars. Maybe in order for me to get the Boxster, Porsche has got to stop production. ;)

M21sniper - I'm happy with the performance, but I've got it scheduled next week for the GMPP (GM Performance Parts) upgrade; they chip the car to 290hp/340lb-ft, up from a stock 260/260 for $650; that's too good a deal to pass up. I also want to swap on the wheels from the Sky "Ruby Redline" edition. With that, I'll be set...

Masraum - the trunk is incredibly tiny, it's insane. I was actually worred I wouldn't be able to fit my 4" thick briefcase in it, and it's a near thing. My Z4MC is an SUV in comparison. However, we've already checked and a pair of soft-sided duffles will fit with the top down, enough for a weekend getaway, which is all you can ask from a roadster.

Ruflblackbird - window button and console switch placement is odd, with the assumption being you have the short arms of a Tyrannosaurus Rex (and yet, the wheel doesn't telescope towards you). I wouldn't mind as much if the windows were one-touch; the driver's side is only one-touch down, the passenger side not at all.

It's fun, and rather nice looking - I get as much pointing as the Smart, but people aren't laughing (kinda miss that). ;)

onewhippedpuppy 03-12-2010 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 5232034)
Thanks for the comments, everyone. Some responses:

Pazuzu - pretty much everyone on the Solstice forums sees the coupe as a future collectable, but they're a bit biased. ;)

Taleswinds - didn't know I was (in)famous on the Z4 forums. I was psyched about getting the Boxster, but the Solstice has a bit of the "road less traveled" to it, since I've done the Porsche thing before.The Solstice, the M Coupe, maybe I've got a weakness for orphaned cars. Maybe in order for me to get the Boxster, Porsche has got to stop production. ;)

M21sniper - I'm happy with the performance, but I've got it scheduled next week for the GMPP (GM Performance Parts) upgrade; they chip the car to 290hp/340lb-ft, up from a stock 260/260 for $650; that's too good a deal to pass up. I also want to swap on the wheels from the Sky "Ruby Redline" edition. With that, I'll be set...

Masraum - the trunk is incredibly tiny, it's insane. I was actually worred I wouldn't be able to fit my 4" thick briefcase in it, and it's a near thing. My Z4MC is an SUV in comparison. However, we've already checked and a pair of soft-sided duffles will fit with the top down, enough for a weekend getaway, which is all you can ask from a roadster.

Ruflblackbird - window button and console switch placement is odd, with the assumption being you have the short arms of a Tyrannosaurus Rex (and yet, the wheel doesn't telescope towards you). I wouldn't mind as much if the windows were one-touch; the driver's side is only one-touch down, the passenger side not at all.

It's fun, and rather nice looking - I get as much pointing as the Smart, but people aren't laughing (kinda miss that). ;)

That is $650 well spent. The wheel upgrade is a very good choice, I've seen several with aftermarket wheels that are a huge improvement.

Monza_dh 03-12-2010 10:47 AM

sorry, these just don't do it for me. All the ones I see in my area are driven by older women for some reason. What to they run used? 10-15K? pretty cheap but I wouldn't pick it over a Z4, Boxter an S2000's or even a Miata for the same $$.

epbrown 03-14-2010 07:16 PM

Was it kismet? I just found these pictures I took at the Chicago Auto Show in 2002:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268622949.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268623277.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268623310.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268623339.jpg

Racerbvd 03-14-2010 08:39 PM

Isn't it pretty close to the same size as a 53 Vette???

m21sniper 03-15-2010 06:02 AM

I love the Solstice. Super cool looking car IMO.

Chocaholic 03-15-2010 08:41 AM

I wonder if there was a reason that GM's Marketing team decided to have some rather "metrosexual" looking male models on the podium rather than the usual T&A.

Not that it's a bad thing. Just wonderin'.

epbrown 03-23-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 5236887)
Isn't it pretty close to the same size as a 53 Vette???

I would think it has to be bigger - everything is these days. Here are the stats for the Solstice:

Dimensions:
Wheelbase | 2415mm
Track front/rear | 1537mm/1555mm
Length/Width/Height | 3994mm/1819mm/1274mm
Ground Clearance | TBD
Curb Weight | 2860 lbs (1298kg)
Weight Distribution | 50/50
Curb weight per horsepower | 16.8 lbs

ruf-porsche 06-13-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 5230800)
I like the coupe and tried to rationalize getting one, but since I've already got the Z4 M Coupe, getting a 2nd 2-seat coupe - even with the targa top - just didn't appeal as much. I don't think they'll be collectables, as many are suggesting, but I see the makings of a small, dedicated fan base, similar to the Z3 M Coupe.

At one time didn't you own three 2+2 coupe PORSCHE?

911 Targa 2+2
944 Coupe 2+2
928 Coupe 2+2

All in Guard Red.

Porsche-O-Phile 06-14-2010 02:28 AM

Have you considered the AMG-32? IMHO it's a far better car and if you're pining for a 2-seater roadster with lots of performance (it'll smoke a Boxster S) I'd strongly recommend it.

I do think Pontiac did well with the Solstice, but too little too late - and I would never hand money to the UAW in any case I don't care how good the car supposedly is.

I certainly wouldn't turn down the chance to do a couple of laps on the track in one though - probably would be fun.

Schumi 06-14-2010 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 5253886)
I would think it has to be bigger - everything is these days. Here are the stats for the Solstice:

Dimensions:
Wheelbase | 2415mm
Track front/rear | 1537mm/1555mm
Length/Width/Height | 3994mm/1819mm/1274mm
Ground Clearance | TBD
Curb Weight | 2860 lbs (1298kg)
Weight Distribution | 50/50
Curb weight per horsepower | 16.8 lbs

Those wheelbase and track width dimensions are both about 2.5 inches larger than a 944's, for comparison.

Given the choice between a slightly used Solstice and a very well cared for 951, the 951 is the winner in my book. In pretty much every way.

epbrown 06-14-2010 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 5402741)
At one time didn't you own three 2+2 coupe PORSCHE?

911 Targa 2+2
944 Coupe 2+2
928 Coupe 2+2

All in Guard Red.

Hey, Don! SmileWavy The 3 1983s was a while back, about 5 cars ago. Are the Lotuses running/restored yet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5403137)
Have you considered the AMG-32? IMHO it's a far better car and if you're pining for a 2-seater roadster with lots of performance (it'll smoke a Boxster S) I'd strongly recommend it.

I like the current SLK, but I was never a fan of the first version with the supercharger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schumi (Post 5403144)
Given the choice between a slightly used Solstice and a very well cared for 951, the 951 is the winner in my book. In pretty much every way.

The 944/968 line are my favorite Porsches, and if I ever own another it will likely be a black 944S2 or 968, but for a little summer runabout I've found the Solstice a nice alternative. Since getting it, I discovered that the GM performance tune had already been done, so the car has 340hp/340lb-ft. Here's a recent pic, and the shot I was trying to duplicate:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1275306141.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1268415543.jpg

Laneco 06-14-2010 07:16 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the Solstice is a "parts bin" car and that's a GOOD thing! Parts like corvette brakes and engine are allegedly bolt on/in items. Probably wouldn't be something you'd want to do with this particular car, but the standard Solstice.


Solstice with an LS V8 and corvette brakes? Yeah, I"m THERE! :D

Of course, my lust for excessive amounts of acceleration probably colors alot of my automotive decision making....

angela

masraum 06-14-2010 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 5403400)
If I'm not mistaken, the Solstice is a "parts bin" car and that's a GOOD thing! Parts like corvette brakes and engine are allegedly bolt on/in items. Probably wouldn't be something you'd want to do with this particular car, but the standard Solstice.


Solstice with an LS V8 and corvette brakes? Yeah, I"m THERE! :D

Of course, my lust for excessive amounts of acceleration probably colors alot of my automotive decision making....

angela

Mallett Cars V8 Solstice Conversion

porsche4life 06-14-2010 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 5403400)
If I'm not mistaken, the Solstice is a "parts bin" car and that's a GOOD thing! Parts like corvette brakes and engine are allegedly bolt on/in items. Probably wouldn't be something you'd want to do with this particular car, but the standard Solstice.


Solstice with an LS V8 and corvette brakes? Yeah, I"m THERE! :D

Of course, my lust for excessive amounts of acceleration probably colors alot of my automotive decision making....

angela

There's an idea for when that little 4banger gives it up...

Jim Bremner 06-14-2010 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5403408)

I looked at buying the Mallet conversion prior to buying the che'vette

Joanna needs a wheelchaair every now and then due to her M.S.

The che'vette can handle the chair and two soft duffles for a weekend trip

kaisen 06-14-2010 08:40 AM

Honestly, that 340 hp tune from the direct-inject turbo 4 has got to be just as much fun as a 400hp LS2/3 with a lot less work. And the GM tunes do not void the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

A good friend has the 310 hp tune in his Saturn Sky Redline, and that car is a blast. He wins just about every autocross he enters. Caymans give hime a run, but that's about it. If you're ever in the Minneapolis area, look for him: white with red hood stripes, plates say "FUNNER".

porsche4life 06-14-2010 08:58 AM

White with red stripes it doesn't say Speedracer!?


I wouldn't toss one out of the running for DD duty in a few years...

pwd72s 06-14-2010 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 5403428)
I looked at buying the Mallet conversion prior to buying the che'vette

Joanna needs a wheelchaair every now and then due to her M.S.

The che'vette can handle the chair and two soft duffles for a weekend trip

Yep...as a salesman said when I eyed a solstice: "Fun car, but all you can carry is the clothes you have on". I had to chuckle...that about sums it up.

ruf-porsche 06-14-2010 06:18 PM

Hey Emanuel

Don't have the time to play with the Lotuses. I did get to drive my PORSCHE a week ago, just got it out of the garage to wash it. Been working on my BMUU 525it touring aka station wagon and my Audi Avant aka station wagon.

I brought the Audi on a whim, just had some cash burning a hole in the pocket and I was getting tire of the BMUU. The Audi will be the ski car since it is a quattro and it has HEATED SEATS.

Hope everything is going well for you.

porsche4life 06-14-2010 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 5404611)
just had some cash burning a hole in the pocket

Call me next time you have this problem....

Joe Bob 12-25-2010 04:03 PM

So, 9 months.....hows it going?


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