reading all of this with interest. still feel Glock would be a fantastic shtf gun. if you really think you're gonna be killing people i believe it would be a fantastic pistol to carry.

if you're walking around pre-zombie (or pre Great Public Uprising Against Obama/Democrat Congress of 2010) amidst innocent bystanders then i'm liking the case for the P7. sounds neat.

and i get my weekly breakfast sandwhich at a store that sells a goodly amount of beer at 8am so you KNOW my street cred is fo real!

Here are some other excellent HK choices, if you can find them used in the $500 range (not really sure what the used value of these are):

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...uppression.jpg

Suppressors not included. ;)

Those guns were/are standard issue for US SPECOPS types, since i think the mid 90s? These are gi-hugic handguns, so if you plan on CCW at some point, probably not the best choice.

http://www.premierarms.com/images/Co...locksafety.jpg
Looks like a simple mod for a tinkerer of your magnitude Tim! ;)

With a manual safety kit i would not have a problem with Glocks at all. Sure, the trigger pull is still crap, but beyond that as long as they had a safety, i'd be good with it. :)

I was just playing with a USP40 a guy at my range is selling for 500 with 5 mags. It was massive, but very nice to shoot and wickedly accurate.

HK USP:

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/wp-...AEP%20PART.jpg
The Mk23 variant of the USP was standard issue of the US Navy SEALS and i think Delta force for several years.
Like virtually all US military weapons systems, it has a manual safety. :)

Ok, one data point. I guess that proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. All hail anecdotal evidence!

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/wp-...AEP%20PART.jpg


Wow, the airsoft people sure know how to throw a lot of crap on a gun.

right......cause ppl don't rice up their real guns... heh

Whatever man. I did post a quote from gun expert Masaad Ayoob stating that no cop has ever been shot after being disarmed of his p7. That is a blanket statement by one of the foremost gun writers in earth.

Anywhooo....

I was watching that new movie bounty hunter last night, with gerard depardieu (took my island princess for a date), and the dude was freaking swinging his glock all over the entire movie with his finger on the trigger.

I almost had an aneurysm. My GF was laughing and giggling the whole time as i screamed "Get your finger off the trigger!" at the movie screen. ;)

Half decent movie, btw.

There are no data point of anyone being shot after being disarmed of their P7. What i gave was a data point of the GG blowing away the BG after being disarmed of his P7.

BTW, Already posted:

Heckler & Koch P7M13 vs. Glock 19.? - Yahoo! Answers

Apr 8, 2007 ... According to (Officer) M. Ayoob, no police officer has ever been shot with his own H&K P7 pistol

cop shot with his own P7 - Google Search

Go to a Gander Mountain. I just got the circular and they have a lot on sale.

FWIW,
This is a sore peter deal... you just can't beat it.

Austrian Glock 22 .40S&W Police Trade-In Pistols

Ruger P-series and S&W 3rd Gen autos are about the same price used. Both are quality firearms. (The Smith is the better of the two IMO, but my cousin had a Ruger P-85 for many years and it did not jam, ever).

Maybe one of the trade-ins has a "light, short trigger".
I have yet to find one.

I am speaking in comparison to a DA or DAO trigger, which is significantly longer and heavier than a glock's. My apologies for the ambiguity.

BTW, the single action pull of the P7 is legendarily smooth. ;)

I knew better as I was typing the response.

Carry on.

P7 series pistols:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1211060/p7s.jpg

$539 for a Class C (finish but mechanically refurbished) P7 at HKSpecialists.com.
It would look exactly like the one pictured above, lower left.

Can you believe it? Some people have no concept of trigger discipline! :D

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...amoedRT1-1.jpg

We were not within a country mile of a live round when that pic was taken, but yep, you're absolutely right. ;)

PS: I had the safety on. :D

damn snipe, that's kinda like finding out the easter bunny ain't real!

you know all guns are loaded with live rounds.