I'm pretty old school when it comes to pistols, but I have a bunch of buddies that own the LCP and love it. It seems to be the #1 hot carry gun these days. Good luck with that. Now don't shoot yer eye out!

That's the exact pistol tandem i want. There's a +1 and +2 mag extension kit for your LCP, gives it a full sized grip. Google should give you some hits.

I think i'll sell my wolf springed P32 with crimson trace laser and 4 mags and get an LCP first. The Five Seven i'll have to save up for. I don't want to sell my P7 to finance it. :D

If anyone is in the market for a P32 with crimson trace laser, shoot me a PM. :)

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I use the Cor Bon High Velocity .380 round in my LCP. 90 grain round with 1050 fps.

The new corbon DPX seems to expand a whole lot more. The buffalo bore +P round uses a bonded core Gold dot JHP. Very nasty. When i used to have a .380 i used the same round you use now. The "classic" cor bon line is loaded with 90gr Sierra JHP. Very solid, but because it's not bonded core they tend to fragment(not violently, so no extra damage is added) and cost you some expansion vs the latest DPX and other next generation JHP loadings.

Here's some good ballistics goo tests:

GoldenLoki.com

The Sierra corbon gets 9 and a quarter inches of penetration with .46 cal expansion. The new Corbon DPX round gets 10.9" penetration and .645" expansion. That's actually better than many 9mm Parabellum loadings. Velocity and bullet weight is the same in both corbon offerings. The difference in performance is the solid copper Barnes hollowpoint in the DPX.

I'll try and find some tests for the buffalo bore. It's 90 gr JHP load is 1200fps and 290+ fpe. (probably obtained from a walther ppk)
Buffalo Bore also has a 100 gr, 1150 fps 290+fpe hard cast lead flat nose Elmer Keith style hunting bullet that would be the obvious choice in a trail gun load for anyone with a .380 acp. I'd be stunned if that one doesn't get over 20" of penetration.

Found this, acual chronographed loads:

Ammunition Bullet Weight Velocity
Buffalo Bore HC 100 1110.4
Buffalo Bore JFN 95 1012.5
Buffalo Bore JHP 90 1077.6
Glaser Safety Slug 70 1190.7
Cor-Bon PowRBall 70 1210.3
Cor-Bon DPX 80 1021.1
Cor-Bon JHP 90 948.8
Remington JHP 88 877.5
Remington FMJ 90 827.2
Federal FMJ 90 849.6
Handload JHP 88 879.9

Good info sniper, I may have to switch!

Glad to help. :)

Here's that +1 mag extension kit for the LCP. $12.50:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi.../LCP_EXT_1.jpg

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These baseplates look really nice:

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This is what i want, exactly. :)

Supposedly someone makes a +2 kit, but i haven't seen one yet.

Hmmmm, the plot thickens. Taurus just came out with a new .380- it's available with a titanium slide, very light.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Tauru...8/DSC09595.JPG

The slide locks open on last round and it has a conventional slide release lever. It also has the taurus internal locking system. Crimson trace already sells a laser for it.

The Ti model with a laser would be sweet, but it's a lot more money. You'd be in it for over $700 at that point probably.

I'm still digging the LCP the most.

very mixed reviews on that taurus from actual users:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/18/taurus-738-tcp-pistol/

Five Seven users rejoice: Full power non FN sourced ammo is apparently available from a second source: "Elite Ammunition."

Much, much hotter than the FN stuff, with civilian legal weights up to 55gr that will defeat up to 40 layers of kevlar (non expanding but yawing FMJ).

The 45gr solid copper Barnes HP looks insane. Juuust shy of 2,000fps from a Five Seven pistol, 390fpe of energy, and over 30 layers of Kevlar penetration.

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I find myself also eyeballing the AR-57 upper for my AR. What a combo that would make with a Five Seven pistol. That same Barnes load hits about 2600fps and 670fps out of a 16" carbine barrel. :D

Finally, a cartridge and pistol combo that has rendered the timeless classics obsolete. The Five Seven is so vastly and obviously superior to the 9mm pistol for military use that i cannot believe the US Military has not already transitioned to it. 30+rds of up to 100 meter armor defeating performance in a pistol- insane.

I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on one of these:

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If i sold my AR 5.56mm upper and all my mags and 5.56mm ammo i could easily convert to the 5.7mm upper (including at least 4 mags and a thousand rounds of ammo) without spending a dime.

And of course a Five Seven pistol with some 30rd mags to compliment it.

Shame no one makes a 5.7mm pocket pistol....a city dweller such as myself could convert his entire battery of arms to a single, highly effective caliber, the logisticians ever elusive dream. A single unitary caliber to do all things.

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I wonder what a lightly used Bushmaster upper with a bayonet, YHM skull crusher, front sight rail, hogue free floated handguard, Trijicon night sight carry handle upper is worth. It would also come with a carry handle mount and a riser mount.

$550?

I have 15x 30rd mags (10 of them with wolff springs) 4x 20rd mags and a Beta C 100rd mag that i'd be able to sell too, and about 1100rds of top flight 5.56mm. Mk262mod1, XM193, M856 tracer, and M855 armor piercing.

It would be easiest just to sell the entire thing as a package deal i imagine.

Some friends of mine made many of the AR-5.7 bolts. It is a really nice setup, though a little pricey, IMO.

i still like 44.40 , but i am an old guy.

Best price i've found is just under $600.00 for the complete upper.

The high quality mags seem to be about $30.00 if you shop around online for them.

The complete spoon from the manufacturer for $1100 with 4 mags seems like a pretty decent deal to me, though I'm not really in touch with current AR parts prices.

Took the LCP out to the desert today and saying I am pleased with it would be an understatement. From 7 yards it put 4 rounds in the same hole without even trying. The recoil with just PMC ammo was not bad at all and actually fun to shoot. I did try some Buffalo Bore +p through it and the recoil was significantly higher and not comfortable. Never seen anyone that has had a problem with the +p but Ruger does not recommend it. For carrying I'm sticking with the Cor-Bon DPX. This will be my new BUG and off duty carry.

Cor Bon DPX is a damn solid choice. It gives very close to GOOD standard pressure 9mm JHP performance in both penetration and expansion.

The Buffalo Bore stuff is waaaaay hotter than anything else on the market. No surprise at all that it kicks like a horse.
I'll pick my LCP up next week. I cannot wait. :D

Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable considering that it's already all tricked out with the rails and a free floating hand guard. The AR-57 is a straight blowback design, and is supposedly extremely reliable. It also runs muuuuuch cooler than a standard AR upper with about 1/3 the recoil, so practical aimed ROF can be much higher.

I think i'm gonna hold off on converting my AR to 5.7 until i save up and buy a Five Seven pistol first. Until the ammo commonality comes into play the 5.7 upper would actually be a downgrade from 5.56mm, especially the stuff i'm using. (Mk262 Mod1 77gr OTM)

Once i get an FN Five Seven pistol i'll sell off my AR upper and ammo/mags and buy the AR-57 upper and about a half dozen mags.

Then i'll stock about 2,000rds of the full power EA 5.7x28mm ammo and call it a day. :D

I still want a 5.7x28mm pocket pistol (or at least a subcompact service sized pistol).

I don't think there is any question now that the 5.7 round is here to stay since it's already been around for 20 years. These days you can find 5.7 ammo everywhere and more companies are starting to make it. I have not tried the Elite stuff yet but would like to try out the Penetrator round they have. I remember about 6-7 years ago a friend and I got a hold of a box of SS190 AP and thought it would be cool to see what it would actually go through(vests, ballistic helmets, etc.) but now I wish I had held onto it since a 50rnd box goes for $750+ now!

D'oh!

What's $750 divided by 50 shots? LOL....

It really depends on who's accounting principles you use.
If we use the CBO numbers, the first 47% are free, then the cost is adjusted until you get to a point where the last few rounds carry most of the cost.

Oh sorry, just got back from OTP&R and it's hard to clear your head. :)

In that case, the rounds wouldn't cost me anything. People on comp don't pay income tax....we just suffer along with 66% of our normal pay, minus 20% for an attorney's fee. :(

The original magnum. :)

.44-40 was the 'ne plus ultra' gunfighting round of it's day.