I still find it ironic that so many of the Apple crowd are the latte-sipping, Birkenstock-wearing pseudo-intellectual types that love to rail on about how the world is being destroyed from global warming and we need to ban all the oil companies and yada-yada. Yet they have no problem buying these electronic toys that are loaded full of toxic compounds, non-biodegradable, assembled in slave labor factories on the other side of the world and then god-knows-how-much fuel, infrastructure, etc. required to ship them across the ocean so they can text their friends about how morally superior they are.

Pretty comical actually.

Wintel systems are by no means perfect. There is a distinct difference though. When I walk out of a Best Buy, Radio Shack, CompUSA, or any local computer store with a video card, sound card, DVD drive, card reader, network/USB/firewire/serial adapter cards, or SAS card I can easily bet that when I plug it into my computer I can get drivers for W2k, XP, Vista or Win7 for the device.

HAHAHAHA that's funny,,,, is that what you think? that's a stereotype, so you think your a ???? whatever cause you use a different computer platform? Your right that's effin funny! Same stereotype as Porsche drivers and equally untrue

@ security
OS X security is mostly false security however having BSD as a core does help to an extent.

In my above rant, I was trying to get at the fact that Windows cost the world a whole lot'ta money everyday that most people write off as operating hazards, ie, viruses, stolen data, malware, and various other hacking activities.

@ devices
Driver downloads? I've been amazed that many items I have bought have actually to some extent have been recognized without drivers for OSX. However, OSX still has a problem with esoteric hardware.

@ hyped expectations
I was thinking of the M$ courier, I really wanted to give it a go :(
ipad???? Apple didn't hype the device, everybody else in the world did that for them ;)

@ Palm / HP

Why does HP need the IP? The fend off Apple and their attack on Android sellers?
I'm still wondering why Apple didn't just buy out Palm .... monopoly issues? hate issues? redundancy issues?

1.2 billion for something they don't need? .... Palm was just trying to get someone to buy them out and it worked, so now I guess HP gets a phone and a tablet ( Apple showed them the way), probably hurt Android more than Apple. Also they (HP)may be trying to get away from Mr. Softy?

Yeah, it's a stereotype - so what?

I didn't say "all" I said "so many of". There are a lot of Apple folks who fit that description to a tee. Some who don't too, but I see enough of them to identify the pattern.

Don't like it? Too bad. I don't care. I call 'em like I see 'em.

Ok, jeez.... you need to get laid ... LOL http://stress.about.com/od/generaltechniques/a/sexandstress.htm

True. Curious, in your opinion what does the iPhone deliver vs. the latest smart phone market, namely the Android phones, that will make iPhone "very hard to beat". The only thing I can come up with is fanatical devotion to the Apple logo.

To be honest I havne't looked closely at the other phones. I had some time with the driod and just didn't care for the device. It was quite functional though.

I use the iphone as an ipod too and can play movies and what not and it integrates with itunes just like my ipod (which can play movies also on that damned small screen). I hate itunes but mix it up with my phone and I like them. I have been using blackberries forever and I have NEVER - EVER been satisfied. I hate them, I think they are the most dysfunctional device ever. At the same time though I have not used any of the new models. The history of the device though would really have to overcome with some awesomeness which they never seem to have. I've looked at the new ones and they only seem like they have fixed the basic badness (browser).

iPhone+Smart apps+Itunes+Camera+Video+Integrated Internet+Really usable interface+Cool Factor=win.

Blackberry+No good media integration+Crappy Browse+stupid form factor+crappy apps=fail.

At least in my book.

I've had Macs too, even recently but I'm done with their high cost. When OS X came out I was really stoked being that I am a unix guy at heart. The work they did on that OS however makes it really hard for me to do what I want vs just running a linux emulator on Windows.

My only apple product is an ipod nano...love it! Bought it & filled it with (over 1600 tunes now) the oldies I love by downloading CD's to itunes. I did this after calling sirius about renewing the free subscription that came with the Mustang...

The Mustang came with an ipod dock in the center console...I just set the nano to shuffle play, plug in, andf I'm set.

If you want bad customer relations from a corporation, try calling Sirius about renewal some time...:mad: No way I will ever renew Satellite radio!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/420163-how-about-iphone-apps-thread-no-haters.html

That didn't take long.

Jailbreaking is back! Jump on in boys, the water is fine!!

Spirit was just released.

http://spiritjb.com/win

Would you mind if I kissed you? You have no idea how happy this makes me... :D :D :D

How ironic. Federal regulators are investigating Apple on antitrust grounds because of its requirements to only use its application development tools...

If the argument is about apps then I think the Android world (open) has the advantage over Apples iTunes store. Vendors of 'good' commercial apps are targeting both iPhone and Android these days so you won't miss anything with either device.

Seems the big draw for many is the plug-play with iTunes where for me the iTunes requirement is the turn off. I don't like being forced to use iTunes for anything - and we have a Mac running as the main home computer (for now anyway). I think the latest Windows Media Center blows doors on iTunes - but that's not an option. I just wish USB devices could be treated as such...

Apple will need to accelerate HARD in order to catch up with Microsoft in the Evil race.

how about Google? FTC expected to block Google's AdMob buy - Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal: