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Something PCA members should be aware of....

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Stumbled across that stink on the 914 board... Thought everyone might like to see it. Definitely something we should all know about.... I'm curious to see what happens....

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Tim

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Does that one? You may have to be a member as it is in their OT....

Apparently a few guys were spectating at the Alameda autocross and one of them was having a beer... Here is the OPs complaint....

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Let me tell you that I'm a reasonable logical person who NOW completely understands this policy.
This is the 2nd event that I've been to as a spectator and to my error saw no reason, nor did it cross my mind that enjoying a beer on a lawn chair as a non driving spectator would be a problem.

There was no signage anywhere at the Alameda event alerting anyone of the seriousness of the no alcohol policy.
There was absolutely no malicous intent to any of my actions while at the Alameda Mid Engine Shootout, only to enjoy a nice day and watch autocross.

One of the crew members took it upon himself to try to aggressively physically grab the beer out of my friends hand.
We had not been drinking prior to that either as it was 11am.
This same crew member pulled a knife on us and threatened us with it in front of many witnesses.
Thinking back I should have had him arrested.
I'm sure this is not the kind of behavior the PCA wants anything to do with.

In conclusion, my friend should have not drank alcohol at a PCA event....Won't happen again.
On the flip side, the event organizers should have NEVER tolerated anyone acting in a threatening manner toward ANYONE at a PCA event.
He should have been immediately removed from the event with a sincere apology from the event staff.

This man is truely lucky he wasn't arrested today.

I have spoken to someone at the event and he said that it was a large combat knife that was pulled...

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We were not there to have a beer party. We were carrying 2 beers between us and mine wasn't open. I was drinking Gatoraid.
We both rolled up on bicycles to watch this event.
I had been planning to go to this event as a spectator for weeks and I took a 30 min train ride and rode my bike for 30 minutes to get there.
It was going to be a fun day.
I did sign a waiver like everyone else and no I did not read the waiver as it was folded back behind on a clipboard. (So I didn't see the no alcohol policy)
As everyone around could tell, we were not loud or acting disresrectful in any way and we had just sat down to watch maybe 2 runs before all this drama.

Also, I would NEVER want to risk losing any events because of my actions. (Why would I? )

I've been a member of this club since 04 and I'm a respectful person who tries to help other members on here when I can and when my knowledge of the subject allows.

This man who pulled the knife was in no way respectful and was aggresively confrontational at our first interaction and approached us. He also wore no credentials indicating he was staff.

He also continually said "Get out of my pit!"
We were easily 40' from "his pit"

Bottom line is that I want to know what the PCA plans to do about this.
The event coordinator was right there to witness this and was probably as shocked as we were.

If anyone can tell me who the event coordinator was for this event and any contact info, that would be helpful.

I realize that no one wants signs all over the place, but this whole thing could have easily been avoided with a sign at the gate and bold print at the top of the sign in waiver for something as common and expected as alcohol consumption at a racing event for those who are new to these events.

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AGAIN There was no disrespect directed at ANYONE prior to the scuffle STARTED by the man with the knife!
This was no box cutter, it was a retractable 4-5" buck knife capable of doing alot of damage, and even if it was a box cutter which is just as capable of cutting skin wide open, what does that matter!?

This is exactly how it happened.

Sat down to watch the event. The knife guy (wearing nothing indicating he was event staff nor did he I D himself as staff or even politely introduce himself) walks up behind us as I was on a chair and my friend sat on the Tarmac and rudely said "there's no beer drinking allowed here" to which my friend responded " it's soda"
Two minutes later some other guy with a similar condesending approach said the same thing and we didn't respond to him.
(Keep in mind that even if he wanted to get rid of the beer there were no garbage cans around)
So he walked up to an official who was making his way toward us and as this official was about 30 yards from us, the knife dude sneaks in back of me and my friend who is still sitting on the pavement and grabs my friends beer.
My friend tightened his grip and a struggle happened.
My friend's reaction to this man's aggresive act was naturally defensive and
it almost came to blows.
As the official stepped in, this man was pacing threateningly aggresively flexing his fists obvious to me and everyone there that he wanted more, saying "You want a problem? Now you've got a problem!"

My friend told the official to calm this guy down or he would bust this bottle over his head.
Then the guy pulled the knife.
Then I invited him to stab me in front of all these witnesses.

Yeah, it got ugly!

Keep in mind that these people were complete strangers to us with nothing to indicate they were staff. They also did not introduce themselves as staff or officials.

This whole story happened in minutes not over 20 or even 10 minutes.
This guy was WAY out of line and deserves whatever the PCA sees fit.
He should be happy we are not pressing charges.

More....

Sorry I call BS, anyone who pulls a knife in front of a bunch of witnesses and no one calls the cops, co'mon?

I have a very trustworthy witness that says this is so... I sure would have...

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Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5404601)

I have a very trustworthy witness that says this is so... I sure would have...

Then why didn't he call the police?

I would have thought being in the US, at least three people would have pull guns and blown him away..

(Just kidding)

It was Kalifornia.....

I won't say that wouldn't happen at an OK event... We have 2 cops that run with us.... One of them is an ex Marine and a big SOB....

Of course we run at the Sheriffs training center... No one is dumb enough to bring hooch there....

I couldn't find the topic. I don't know the last time I logged into "club". I pretty much went on the "world" side of things.

Does the link not take you to a log in page and then the thread?

"Let me tell you that I'm a reasonable logical person who NOW completely understands this policy."

What is reasonable and logical about expecting a club tasked with putting on a event to also monitor who is a driver/participant and who is a casual observer? I am amazed that it took some ape with a knife to convey that alcohol is utterly prohibited at amateur speed events. As a reasonable logical person you should have known.

Go to the Off Topic forum
The thread is something to the effect of "No beer at PCA events sucks ass...."

For reference... This was not me! I was a thousand miles away...

can't wait to get the skinny from a boxster guy from a local pub i frequent that went to his 1st ax event saturday. he & i have been talking it up for a few weeks & his 1st event turns into westside story..... who were the jets rumbling in that again?

I just looked for it, did they delete it???

Oh yeah. Guys just pull a knife out for no reason. The dumass who had the beer didn't do anything to provoke it. Uh huh.

I just read the rest of it. the punk lied when confronted and said his beer was a soda, after he was told there was no beer allowed. STRIKE ONE

Then the guy working the event grabbed the guys beer and a scuffle ensued, the guy with the beer got confrontational in a physical way. STRIKE TWO

Then the lying punk with the beer said that he was gonna bust the bottle over the corner worker's head. STRIKE THREE

That's when the corner worker pulled the knife, after the lying POS punk threatened to bust a bottle over his head. Yet the narrator of the original part was saying that neither he nor his friend were disrespectful.

What a crock. No wonder the story was yanked, the truth came out.

914 guys, go figure.
I've met plenty of 914 folks that were pure gold, but the rest of them had "issues".
Something about that car attracts them like moths to a light.

Looks like it was deleted...

PCA probably afraid of lawsuits...a liability issue. But, nobody hurt, right???

Doesn't everyone sign a release when they enter a club event? I think that is where the no alcohol thing is buried, don't know for certain but pulling a knife is pretty stupid all over a beer.

We need Homeland Security at these events!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1276596687.jpg

Way back in the olden days of PCA autocross many guys would open a wheat pop AFTER the autocross was over. We started having a few open beers at the autocross just as soon as one guy would be done with his runs. Everyone else was running, and he is sucking beer. We just said no beer anywhere at any driving event. End of story, no exceptions. The problem went away with that 914 driver. By the way I drove a 914 at that time.

What was Sniper doing in Kalifornia with a combat knife watching 914's autocross?

It wasn't me, i would have pulled out either an HK P7 or a Cold Steel Katana, and there would have been no survivors. ;)

Based on what's been said here, it seems to me that the dude with the beer totally provoked the corner guy, but even still...ya cannot be pulling knives out on people every time someone threatens you.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 5404773)

It sounds to me that the knife didn't come out until after the beer-drinking friend threatened to bust his beer bottle over that guys head.

So who threatened physical harm first?!?

-Z-man.

Maybe the guy should have just dumped the beer. But....The a-hole got aggressive and tried to rip the beer out of the guys hand. He provoked it. Instead of getting physical. Maybe should have tried to reason with him. Or asked him to leave.
You put a hand on me you are gonna get hit back. Plain and simple. You pull a knife on me, then I pick up a garbage can and bust it over your head. I dont give a crap what kind of "official" you are. Obviously this jerkoff does not know how to deal with people and should not be in that position of "authority".

Speeder needs to pimp slap them both.

The knife guy pulled the knife in a non-life threatening situation loses, IMHO. First of all the knife guy assaults the other guy by trying to take his beer, that is the third strike right there. Knife guy is not law enforcement, period. Provoked or not, knife guy did a battery and he is wrong. Why didn't knife guy call others to gang up on this guy and tell him the story. Call the cops and get the turd out of there? Nope, lets assault him and than pull a knife.

Sounds like a bad situation all around. It sounds like the "official" was a jackazz, and it sounds like the guy with the beer was a dumbazz. The two were made for each other.

Beer at a PCA event? THAT's the problem! As stated before "Honey, where's my merlot"?

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 5405201)

Beer at a Ferrari event? THAT's the problem! As stated before "Honey, where's my merlot"?

Fixed it for you!

I said this before.........Who takes 2 beers in a backpack on a bus ride and a bike ride to a a/x?

• All the "official" needed to say was "We can't monitor who drives and who doesn't at these events, that's why there has to be a no alcohol policy"

THEN,

Anyone with half a brain would have put the beers away immediately.

• (but when it becomes a dumb**** vs dumbass situation, then all bets are off.)

• What kind of neighborhood is this a/x in that the officials have to carry steel?

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 5405131)

Agreed.

Grabbing the beer was extremely stupid, and will usually result in getting your a$$ kicked as often as not.

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Originally Posted by Danimal16 (Post 5405143)

Agreed.

Thankfully that official is not a cop. (I hope).

Gawd - All this over a beer? You'd think a Non-RGruppe member parked in a RGruppe parking area or something.......

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Originally Posted by LakeCleElum (Post 5405804)

Gawd - All this over a beer? You'd think a Non-RGruppe member parked in a RGruppe parking area or something.......

hahahahaha LMFAO!

DISSING SOMEJUAN does lead to fatalities these days.