Deporting our American Values

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by nostatic

OK. Lot's of businesses out there, how do we choose which to audit first? The one with lots of brown skinned employees?

Same way the IRS etc. decides how to audit.

I'd start with the industries you identified as being the greatest offenders. Randomly do a bunch of them.

[nostatic]

And what are the penalties?

[McLovin]

Mucho dinero, indexed to the companies profits. Increasingly severely for repeat offenders.

[nostatic]

Why not jail time? They are directly aiding and abetting the destruction of the country (per people here). Those fines are just going to come out of consumer pockets eventually.

[Red88Carrera]

Money just comes out of the company's bottom line. You need to hit the decision/policy makers with prison time. That way it's much more personal and they'll think twice about it.

[McLovin]

I'd be ok with that too.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by nostatic

OK. Lot's of businesses out there, how do we choose which to audit first? The one with lots of brown skinned employees?

Get real. We start by going after the ones using bogus SS numbers. That's a crime in itself, it's very easy to track and it's the main cottage industry for identity fraud. Clean up that racket, compel everyone to us eVerify and the problem would shrink exponentially, causing millions to self-deport. No need to even ask about race or nat. origin. You use a bogus SS number, your next job is on a chain gang for pennies an hour for several years and then a free ride back to the border.

[McLovin]

Local govts can take guys away from their multi week strip club/prostitution "undercover sting" operations to help out!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Mucho dinero, indexed to the companies profits. Increasingly severely for repeat offenders.

shareholders responsible for corporate management actions?

no.

management goes to jail.

simple.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Get real. We start by going after the ones using bogus SS numbers. That's a crime in itself, it's very easy to track and it's the main cottage industry for identity fraud. Clean up that racket, compel everyone to us eVerify and the problem would shrink exponentially, causing millions to self-deport. No need to even ask about race or nat. origin. You use a bogus SS number, your next job is on a chain gang for pennies an hour for several years and then a free ride back to the border.

Yeah, there's lot of ways to effectively enforce the labor laws against these businesses.

It's a weird position many take. When you mention enforcing the laws against illegals you get things like "it seems awfully strange that few focus on business complicity in the illegal issue" and "The 800lb elephant that isn't being addressed here are the big businesses that profit from the cheap illegal labor.."

Then when you say to enforce the labor/immigration laws against businesses who hire illegals, you get resistance to that, too, and a million reasons to not do so.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

shareholders responsible for corporate management actions?

No. At least not in any different way that shareholders ultimately pay (or profit) for any decisions corporate management makes.

[nostatic]

Well, I said to enforce them. And have penalties (jail time) suitable to the crime (hiring illegals = treason). I doubt you're going to get much support for that one.

[Red88Carrera]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I doubt you're going to get much support for that one.

And there-in lies the real problem. Too many bleeding hearts in this country afraid of taking away so-called "civil rights". If you're here illegally, you have no civil rights!

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Well, I said to enforce them. And have penalties (jail time) suitable to the crime (hiring illegals = treason). I doubt you're going to get much support for that one.

There apparently isn't much support for any enforcement of labor/immigration laws against businesses who are hiring all of these illegals.

[stogie25]

I don't see what these illegal immigrants (and I don't mean "displaced foreign travelers") ethics have in common with our grandparents, or great grandparents.

1. Our ancestors came here legally.

2. Our ancestors were proud to be Americans. They adopted American traditions did not expect America to cater to them.

3. Our ancestors learned the language of our country. They did not expect America to change to their languages.

If we were not supporting our own citizens who are too lazy to work, they would do the jobs that these illegals are doing because doing a ****ty underpaid job beats being homeless and hungry.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Then when you say to enforce the labor/immigration laws against businesses who hire illegals, you get resistance to that, too, and a million reasons to not do so.

Strange isn't it? IMO, you have to go after both the illegals and the businesses that hire them.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Also, would you, as a pathetic liberal, be in favor of law enforcement checking in with the HR depts of these garment, ag, restaurant, bizs to make sure their employee paperwork is in order?

Absolutely! In my line of work (enforcing labor law), it is VERY frustrating to notice that laws protecting workers take a distant back seat to laws (absence thereof)promoting commerce and profits. In America, Freedom of Commerce is our most cherished value. America attempts to build fences on the Mexican border, even though that is MASSIVELY expensive and unlikely to prevent entry because the alternative (which would be FAR more effective) is unthinkable. It is unthinkable that we would require Business to play a meaningful role, for at least two reasons (excuses). First, it would cost them staff time. Second, it would eliminate the workers they like the best. Immigrants work harder than American citizens, and they require far less pay.

And for those of you who appear to believe our Mexican guests are lazy, how 'bout you come up here for the fruit harvests in the Yakima area. Work along side those brown-faced families in triple-digit temps. It has been tried before, and those people are super-human in terms of their physical ability to delivery production in those conditions.

But anyway, the real theme of this particular post is to communication my longstanding professional battle with the forces of commerce, at the legislative and the administrative government level, to pursue the protection of workers. Cheating workers is a side-benefit in the construction industry. A gentleman's game. A fun and entertaining and lucrative practice that almost never gets caught, and the penalties are laughable. When the subject comes up at the legislative branch, the Business Lobby absolutely CRUSHES any and all regulations like this (immigration). The fact remains that illegals come here for the money. For the jobs. And that works nicely for Business. And that is why we're wasting colossal money building silly fences that will not impact the inflow of cheap labor.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by McLovin

There apparently isn't much support for any enforcement of labor/immigration laws against businesses who are hiring all of these illegals.

This is exactly correct.

[Tobra]

I suspect, truth be told, we all agree more than we disagree. I would hope that the unions would be strongly opposed to illegal immigration. I have spent my time digging ditches, washing dishes and doing landscaping as a youth. I went to school, got an education and moved on. Of course, I already spoke English. My best friends wife came on a student visa, learned English, got married and is now a tax paying citizen. Her brothers are illegal aliens, and she is none too happy with them, and their non-English speaking kids. It was funny to see little 4'10'' Claudia going after her her 6'2" brother when he said the wrong thing about her kids not speaking Spanish well enough.

Originally Posted by Red88Carrera

There's much more incentive for companies not to check for illegals than there is for them to do a simple verification. What we need is much harsher penalties for company brass that allows/encourages it to happen. Not just monetary fines, but serious prison time.

This, lock them up.

Todd, I knew you were kidding, I was being a bit facetious myself.

[tabs]

All things being equal why do Corps/business hire illegals in the first place...U Boyz seem to agree that it is because they provide cheap labour. That means that native American labour is OVER PRICED. That means that U boyz are OVERPAID. Welcome to reality, Your not worth what your being paid, and business has known that for decades and has been moving off shore as a result of that reality. .

Further your not going to be able to maintain this fiction much longer...Middle Class..your all fking peasants as far as I can see...to ignorant to know your being led to the slaughter.