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[Zeke]

Did you see that Castroneves deal? I mean he grabs a security person that is twice his size. Great control by the security guy.

Yes, Helio got boned on that call. If he blocked, so did Dixon.

Now who won?? You decide after you see this BS on the various replays.

[URY914]

Pure 100% BS. I couldn't believe it. Indy Car is truly lost. They allow Milka to NOT race all season and don't allow the leader to race with 2 laps to go.

[herr_oberst]

Just a weird day in the top classes of open wheel racing. I couldn't believe what I was watching during F1 and then this crap after the Indycar race (which I didn't see, because Versus is not one of my channels)

And apparently, in both cases, neither deal is necessarily done, Power could ultimately get the win, Ferrari could lose points.

Dumo will still be slower than the Indy Lights cars, but she'll still be allowed to (cough) race (cough)

[sammyg2]

I got the impression that helio and that big security dude were friends and helio was juast strongly explaining his frustration, it wasn't meant as a threat of violence.
helio did move out of his line in the corner. Instead of hugging the apex he moved out about 10 feet into the other car's line.

I saw it as a racing move and not worthy of punishment.

If any of these racing sanctioning bodies had a freaking clue they'd all adopt the same rule:
Any full course caution that occurs on the final 15 laps will immediately stop the counting of laps. Time will basically stop until the green comes back out, and anyone causing a yellow in the last 15 laps will be scrutinized and if the incident is determined to be avoidable that car that caused it will be DNF'd.
Unfortunately they won't do that because having a bunch of cars sprinting to the checkered flag makes good theatre for the less sophisticated fans.

They encourage yellow flags, they sometimes manufacture yellow flag incidents late in the race. It's getting more and more like professional wrestling. They don't want a car to get too far ahead. They want them all bunched up and racing that final corner so forest gump will stay interested.
That's solely for the benefit of those who have a 15 second attention span, the same people who whine that there isn't enough passing in F1.

As far as Ferrari is concerned: they told massa-for-brains over the radio that Alonso was faster and asked that he confirmed that he heared that transmission.
That's all they said.
You can interpret it any way you like, just like massa for brains did. He got his ittle bitty feelings hurt and pulled over to protest.
I seriously doubt that was what they wanted or expected.

I took it this way (which makes a whole bunch more sense than the ridiculous BS the tin foil hats are saying in this forum):

Recently two red-bull-tards wrecked each other because their egos would not allow the to realize they work for the same company.
Ferrari didn't want that to happen to them.
The common sense thing would be to race each other but not to wreck each other. In other words the faster car should not be blocked. He would have to earn the pass but it should not be denied. Duh.
I believe that was what ferrari was indicating and that is not against the rules Which, BTW, I have read.
Team rules are a no-no, but blocking is also supposed to be a no-no yet they let that get way out of hand.

Massa got his old, slow panties in a bunch because he was reminded once again that he is the slowest ferrari driver in F1 and he didn't like that so he threw a tantrum.
By doing that he threw his team under the bus.
If I were running the show he'd be sitting on the sidelines until the end of the season when his contract would not be renewed.

Ferrari did not order mushhead to pull over and lift. He did that on his own.
He was not ordered to do that. he did it because he is a spoiled little brat who no longer belongs in the game. He intentionally hurt his team and that should never be tolerated.

The FIA tards evidently can read minds because they punished ferrari not for what they did, but for what the FIA thought ferrari intended to do or wanted to do.

I'll save the rest for the other thread about this.

[Brando]

As a friend of mine says: Rubbin' is racin.

[Por_sha911]

It was worthy of a warning but not clearly defined enough to penalize him on the next to last lap and change the entire outcome. That was bogus. I hope that Penske gives them hades over it. The next biggest shocker was that Power basically said it was blocking. So much for team unity. I think Roger will be pretty hot that Will said so on TV.

[Zeke]

Like I said, if Helio blocked then the move Dixon put on Power was the same, only in the next corner. Maybe they have different rules for each corner.

Anyway, Penske will have the last word here IMO.

[chapo]

Sorry I missed this incident. After watching the entire flag to flag race the week before because my leg was swollen like a football and I couldn't escape, I decided to skip this race. I gave F1 an hour in the morning, but decided to go watch my tomato plants grow, more action involved. Racing is taking a downhill slide as the series become spec series. Btw, I think Danica would put up a better fight than Helio.

[nostatic]

insane call

YouTube - 2010 Indycar Edmonton - Helio Castro Neves angry blowup/post-race interview

[URY914]

I've been on 8 different forums and there is only one a-hole that thinks the call was justified.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by chapo

Sorry I missed this incident. After watching the entire flag to flag race the week before because my leg was swollen like a football and I couldn't escape, I decided to skip this race. I gave F1 an hour in the morning, but decided to go watch my tomato plants grow, more action involved. Racing is taking a downhill slide as the series become spec series. Btw, I think Danica would put up a better fight than Helio.

Nah, he'd dance around her.




Helio is a very emotional guy. He followed Power almost all the race and raced past the old fashioned way. There was that bit about Power's harder compound tires and the strategy almost worked. Helio drove his ass off on the softer tires after they were past their prime keeping Power behind. Which, in itself, is a feat.

Power chose to take an outside line and that seldom works. Especially if you are on the hard tire, as he was. So, he leaves the door open for Dixon, who wisely took a wide line into the turn and had a full load of steam to come up the inside. Power is still there, digging, so Dixon moves Power over with a move to the outside. At this point, it's clear that Power maybe should have waited a lap or two to get some heat in his tires and see if Helio's tires go off a bit more.

We'll never know because INDY Car gives the race to Dixon. After a terrific drive by Castroneves, the officials decide they know who should be the winner due to the way drivers take a corner. THERE WAS NO OBVIOUS BLOCKING. Helio was devastated after working so hard. 10th place is no way to award that kind of performance.

Too bad they couldn't take it back to the previous down and yard line.

Oh ,and if rubbin' is racin' then there would have been no call whatsoever.

[URY914]

Here is what Paul Tracy said in his blog. The ruling may have been applied corectly but it is a stupid rule.....


"As far as the penalty is concerned, I agree with it. I think all the drivers (except one) agree with it. It was spelled out to us very clearly in the driver meeting how to treat the corner. The natural braking and corner-entry line for Turn 1 is on the outside of the white stripes down the runway. The right side is only to be used for trying to pass someone on the inside. If you go to the right side to keep someone behind, then you're gonna get called on it. Well, Helio drove the whole straight on the other side to keep Will Power behind him. You live your life, you make your choices: Helio chose to block his teammate, he got penalized for it and it cost Penske a win."

[David]

When I saw it, I thought he got a bum deal. Then I saw the video from the driver's meeting and it was laid out very clear that blocking on the inside of the turn would not be allowed, so I guess I agree with the ruling. I don't agree with the rule, but if they all agreed to it in the driver's meeting, you can't also say it's a bad call.

[Por_sha911]

It wasn't overt enough to change the entire outcome of the race with no possibility for Helio to get back the win. At that late stage of the race it should have been a blatant move.

[David]

It was extremely blatant since in the driver's meeting they said you are not allowed on the inside half of the track going into a turn unless you are passing. Helio was clearly on the inside of the track so end of story.