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kach22i 08-02-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by milt (Post 5485408)
It's a from of cantilever. And the uprights are already bending.

Good eye, I see that sort of thing on the mass built McMansions where they don't use a stop at the base of the first stair riser in the basement. There the stairs pull away from the floor structure. Here the wood bends, and you know wood bends a lot prior to structural failure, it gives you lots of warning indicators.

This structure is not near failure from what I can tell in this single photo. However I'm interested in the hidden steel plate/splice connection in the four foot dogleg bend at the outer edge. Think of it as a steel biscuit double bolted at each end. Trick stuff, could be a hidden problem in a wet climate. It could also just be a surface applied steel plate on the backside which we cannot see. That would be much easier to pull off and not split the member.

speeder 08-02-2010 08:27 AM

People keep mentioning hurricanes and heavy snows which would cause trees and heavy branches to fall on the car if the car port wasn't there. I'll take the car port, thanks.

daepp 08-02-2010 08:30 AM

I'd build it out of steel or aluminum sandwiched between some good looking 1X.

peppy 08-02-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 5485484)
rain gutter? what rain gutter?

Far right side it is brown, downspout follows one of the braces.

Porsche-O-Phile 08-02-2010 08:49 AM

I'm also a little surprised that there aren't members horizontally tying the three verticals together. It seems like this might be a little weak in torsion, but again it's probably just "brute forced" into being strong enough for code. I really like the fact it's kind of minimal with respect to # of members, even if the members themselves are huge.

Mark Hjelm 08-02-2010 08:54 AM

I like it.

island911 08-02-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 5485489)
... wood bends, and you know wood bends a lot prior to structural failure, it gives you lots of warning indicators.

This structure is not near failure from what I can tell in this single photo. However I'm interested in the hidden steel plate/splice connection....

Yep.

Who ever designed & built that wanted (and got) reactions from people less edjumencated.

masraum 08-02-2010 09:06 AM

Well, visually, I like it. It does look a bit under-engineered, but then I'm not an engineer, and I haven't done the math.

If it was mine, I would feel better if the uprights were steel.

masraum 08-02-2010 09:10 AM

Hah, quick search yielded...

http://www.hallbuilding.com.au/photo...%20Carport.JPG

http://architechome.com/wp-content/u...ort-photos.jpg

Jim Richards 08-02-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by peppy (Post 5485537)
Far right side it is brown, downspout follows one of the braces.

Thanks. I missed that.

island911 08-02-2010 09:32 AM

Cantilever - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. . .for those trying to correct those who correctly called it a Cantilever design.

RWebb 08-02-2010 10:26 AM

it would have been easy to put uprights over by the retaining wall - it must have been done that way for visual effect

I wonder if the code req'd a struct. eng. to approve the plans?

The Gaijin 08-02-2010 10:43 AM

I kind of like it. Lots of boring and ugly architecture in this world, and this is interesting.

Who knows, maybe it gets braced and tied down for major weather events?

WIL84911 08-02-2010 11:33 AM

Doesn't it look like a bus stop? I now think that played a key part in the design.

911pcars 08-02-2010 11:37 AM

Maybe the lightweight fiberglass sheathing is designed to separate from the structure during high winds. If so, this would reduce the wind load quite a bit.

This thread shows that engineering by the seat-of-the-forum pants is possible, but it's better performed and confirmed on paper.

At the time, most folks thought this would never work either:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280777749.jpg

Sherwood

stomachmonkey 08-02-2010 11:39 AM

Ran out for lunch today and passed 3 places that I drive by every day. They all had similar structures and I never noticed until now.

WIL84911 08-02-2010 11:41 AM

Sherwood, I think you got something there... and downward force really is what's going to destroy it if ever (like heavy snow which won't happen in that region).

stomachmonkey 08-02-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WIL84911 (Post 5485892)
....(like heavy snow which won't happen in that region).

I'd agree with unlikely to happen.

We got 12 inches at DFW this past winter.

A significant number of car dealers lost inventory when their structures collapsed under the weight.

The Gaijin 08-02-2010 11:50 AM

The things people built - before the world was taken over by 4'x 8' plywood and vinyl siding:

Folly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

daepp 08-02-2010 12:14 PM

These are all over Europe at the Autogrilles:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1280779977.jpg

Ugly. but probably cheap and effective.


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