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grudk 08-07-2010 09:16 AM

Never been an issue for me in CA. Willing to pay the price if needed...

I have received a parking ticket for no front plate (when I left the car on the street overnight once), but not a moving violation.

peppy 08-07-2010 10:10 AM

I got a ticket going through a road check for no front plate..$45 fine.

I had no plate on a Saleen and had a hard time getting it inspected, all of this was in Va.

North Carolina doesn't care.

RWebb 08-07-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5494136)
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The purpose of a front plate is solely so they have a target with a reflective surface in order to try and bust you for speeding via laser. Why hand 'em an easy one and make it simpler for them to extort more money from you?

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no, it is also to get your ID for the red light &/or speeding camera photos

front plate enforcement sky rockets when they put in red light cameras

RWebb 08-07-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5494203)
I don't care. I'm still not putting one on. I'll take my chances. When I blow a 0.0 my lawyer will have a load of fun with it too. I could use some extra money on behalf of the state, that's fine.

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what do you mean?

you will pay your atty to get it dismissed and you will not make any extra money if the state loses

pwd72s 08-07-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5494682)
no, it is also to get your ID for the red light &/or speeding camera photos

front plate enforcement sky rockets when they put in red light cameras

We agree! Amazingly, we agree...

jyl 08-07-2010 06:15 PM

I don't have a front plate on the 911, never have. One fix it ticket, which I paid, otherwise no fuss in 8 years, half in CA and half in OR. I think it depends on your city.

Tervuren 08-08-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5494682)
no, it is also to get your ID for the red light &/or speeding camera photos

front plate enforcement sky rockets when they put in red light cameras

Also the time it takes to go from green to red magically can shorten too! Several towns in NC tried that one, didn't go over well! Problem solved by making it so that whoever puts up the stoplight camera's only gets 10% of the revenue. They're losing money that way, and magically they went away...

silverwhaletail 08-08-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5494203)
I really don't follow the logic of how not using a front plate equates to someone being drunk anyway.

I can drive almost as fast as I want, anywhere I want, in Southern California, because as a general rule, police officers do not give traffic tickets to other police officers. DUI's are a different story. The CHP doesn't care who you are or what you are, if you have the slightest odor of alcohol on your breath, then you are going for a ride.

That being said, I have both plates on my Titan and on my wife's T5 Wagon. Neither vehicle has tinted windows.

Why? Because these two infractions are probably the two most used vehicle codes for enforcement stops in California. Its called a pretext stop. The police don't care about your front plate or your tinted windows. It is simply a legal reason to stop you so that a further investigation can be initiated.

When I go out, I like to have a drink or two. While driving home from Newport Beach at 2 am, I don't want to give anyone, any justifiable reason to contact me.
Which is the same reason that I set the cruise control on 65.

FYI, .08 bac looks the same on your driving record as .16 bac. And you would be AMAZED if you knew how little alcohol puts the average sized man right at .08.

(BTW, I don't have front plates on my sports cars because I could care less about getting stopped while hauling AZZ)

Geronimo '74 08-09-2010 04:20 AM

Over here (in Belgium) we are obligated to have two but they only issue the rear one.
You have to get the one in the front yourself, it is not an official plate.
On the 911, I have a stickerplate. They sell'em like that over here, perfectly legal.

GH85Carrera 08-09-2010 05:52 AM

My wife's new Infinity G-35x came with a bracket to mount to the front bumper for a tag. Since Oklahoma does not require a front tag I put the bracket in the attic.

My 911 has tinted windows and no front tag. I have driven it in 20 or 25 states from California to North Carolina. I just last month I drove it to the Chicago area. I have not ever been bothered in any state. No stops, no tickets.

Porsche-O-Phile 08-09-2010 08:17 AM

The reality is if a cop wants to pull you over, he's going to pull you over anyway.

They can always find (or fabricate) some "justification" for it whether someone has a front plate or not, tinted windows or not, etc. Yes a lawyer probably can work more with a probable cause of "uhh, the guy looked suspicious" versus "I was stopping them for a burned out taillight/tinted windows/no plate/whatever" that's more tangible, but the reality is if they want to stop you, they're going to stop you regardless and a lawyer might or might not be able to argue that it was an unreasonable stop (never mind the 50 pounds of pot and the trunk full of Uzis and the dead body they find during after they stop you).

they're going to bother pulling you over it's because you've done something to draw attention to yourself in the first place so it really doesn't matter. There's no point in letting yourself be scared into handing "the man" an easy way to throw more tickets your way either via red light/speed cameras or via laser.

Don't drive like an a-hole, use a V1, pay attention to your surroundings and you should be fine. Not too many cops are going to pay you much attention for something trivial like a burned out taillight or a missing front plate unless you're doing something else anyway - or unless they're VERY bored.

stomachmonkey 08-09-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5497097)
The reality is if a cop wants to pull you over, he's going to pull you over anyway.

Yup

They can always find (or fabricate) some "justification" for it ...

Yup

they're going to bother pulling you over it's because you've done something to draw attention to yourself in the first place so it really doesn't matter.

Yeah, like driving a nice car and they don't think you look like the type of person that would own it or DWD.

Don't drive like an a-hole, use a V1, pay attention to your surroundings and you should be fine. Not too many cops are going to pay you much attention for something trivial like a burned out taillight or a missing front plate unless you're doing something else anyway - or unless they're VERY bored.

I've run into a lot of VERY bored cops.

mossguy 08-09-2010 10:14 AM

Dwd?

pwd72s 08-09-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 5497097)

Don't drive like an a-hole, use a V1, pay attention to your surroundings and you should be fine. Not too many cops are going to pay you much attention for something trivial like a burned out taillight or a missing front plate unless you're doing something else anyway - or unless they're VERY bored.

Are you saying to NOT use a V-1 here? IMO, the V-1 is the best self defense item since the single action colt.

JavaBrewer 08-09-2010 10:45 AM

I bought my Audi from a dealer who attached the front plate with two sheet metal screws through the bumper...:mad: The easy fix was to buy a new front bumper cover plate painted to match car for $75. The car has been running sans front plate for years now with zero hassles - if I get a fix it ticket I have the plate and original cover that I can swap in for verification of fix.

DrkJstc 08-09-2010 11:23 AM

In Los Angeles, they drive around at night and if your car is on the street with no front plate, the meter maids give you a ticket. I received 4 in one week from the same person at 2 and 3am in the morning.

island911 08-09-2010 04:44 PM

I got pulled in Orygun for no front plate. Cop told me it was ~$200 fine. (no ticket - don't know if they can enforce that one for out-of Staters) -- I expect that it's so expensive there because they value safety so. :rolleyes:

pwd72s 08-09-2010 07:07 PM

No Island, it's because the Oregon political powers that be hate the automobile so...

herr_oberst 08-10-2010 03:04 AM

I've been pulled over in Oregon twice for "courtesy stops" (State Patrol both times) Once for no front plate (VW Rabbit), the second for a burned out headlight - this was in the middle of the afternoon, and yes, he did indeed take the opportunity to check out my belongings very carefully.

Rick Lee 08-10-2010 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 5498518)
and yes, he did indeed take the opportunity to check out my belongings very carefully.

A busted headlight or no front plate certainly does not constitute PC for a vehicle search. I hope you didn't consent. I would have politely told him to pound sand.


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