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wcc 08-16-2010 05:59 PM

I just got the ipad and I'm already wanting to smash it!
 
I'm not an Apple person.... OK.. So I buy this thing from Best Buy and bring it home. But I can't use it until I connect it to iTunes. WTF? So I try to download it a dozen times, SERIOUSLY, and it still doesn't work. I don't get it but it says it downloads but there's no .exe file anywere or it doesn't install. I just went to another computer to try it and I'm still waiting. I don't care about iTunes I just want to surf the web, check e-mail, put some pics on there, etc. This is becoming a huge project and if it doesn't work it-self out soon it'll be returned. So far don't waste you money this thing SUCKS!

rattlsnak 08-16-2010 06:14 PM

Are you saying you cant get iTunes to work on your home pc?

from here: Apple - iTunes - Everything you need to be entertained.

btw, iPad Rocks!, but it is limited in use. For traveling purposes, much better to have a small notebook.

legion 08-16-2010 06:16 PM

You don't answer my call
With even a nod or a twitch
But you gaze at your own profile!
You don't seem to see me
But I think you can see yourself.
How can the iPad affect you?
Can you hear me
Or do I surmise
That you fear me can you feel my temper
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
Rise, rise, rise!
Do you hear or fear or
Do I smash the iPad?
Do you hear or fear or
Do I smash the iPad?

A930Rocket 08-16-2010 06:18 PM

Are your PC's wireless? Mine times out often and I have to connect it to the modem with a wire. Once your PC is working, hook up the iPad and synch it.

Joe Bob 08-16-2010 06:44 PM

Use the SAVE option instead of RUN. It will drop an install icon to your desktop.

If you have to, drop it onto a running PC, then drag it to a flash drive....load the IPAD from that.

stomachmonkey 08-16-2010 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcc (Post 5510068)
I'm not an Apple person.... OK.. So I buy this thing from Best Buy and bring it home. But I can't use it until I connect it to iTunes. WTF? So I try to download it a dozen times, SERIOUSLY, and it still doesn't work. I don't get it but it says it downloads but there's no .exe file anywere or it doesn't install. I just went to another computer to try it and I'm still waiting. I don't care about iTunes I just want to surf the web, check e-mail, put some pics on there, etc. This is becoming a huge project and if it doesn't work it-self out soon it'll be returned. So far don't waste you money this thing SUCKS!

You're mad at the iPad cause your PC won't download a file?

idontknow 08-16-2010 07:07 PM

He's mad at the ipad because it needs software installed on a different machine before it can run.

Gooch1971 08-16-2010 07:15 PM

Feel free to send it to me. I promise not to complain.

epbrown 08-16-2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 5510097)
Are you saying you cant get iTunes to work on your home pc?

from here: Apple - iTunes - Everything you need to be entertained.

btw, iPad Rocks!, but it is limited in use. For traveling purposes, much better to have a small notebook.

I think it's much better for travel, where its ease of connectivity, cheap data plans and long battery life are advantages. Around the house, I'm usually reaching for my laptop. This was really driven home this past weekend, when DSL went out and only the iPad could connect to the net (via AT&T).

rattlsnak 08-16-2010 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 5510195)
I think it's much better for travel, where its ease of connectivity, cheap data plans and long battery life are advantages. Around the house, I'm usually reaching for my laptop. This was really driven home this past weekend, when DSL went out and only the iPad could connect to the net (via AT&T).

Thats funny. I do the opposite. I always use the iPad around the house and always take the notebook when I travel. I like the ability to watch dvds (without a D/L) and most importantly, the ability to see Flash and use Office suite away from home.

Bottom line for most is this: an iPad is a great supplemental tool, but it cant take the place of a laptop.

stomachmonkey 08-16-2010 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idontknow (Post 5510175)
He's mad at the ipad because it needs software installed on a different machine before it can run.

If he bought it at an Apple store they would have activated it for him before he left the store then iTunes would only have been required for sync and backup.

Maybe he should be mad at Best Buy.

rusnak 08-16-2010 07:38 PM

I never tried an iPad, but iTunes sucks sweaty donkey balls. My iPod is embedded in a light pole in some parking lot somewhere.

enzo1 08-16-2010 07:39 PM

It's not supposed to take the place of a laptop, now a netbook is another matter..... ASUS lowering Eee PC shipments due to iPad
updated 10:00 am EDT, Mon August 16, 2010ASUS drops netbook aims after iPad impact

The iPad's cooling effect on netbooks may have had its first clear evidence after an ASUS presentation at an investors' conference on Friday. Despite summer being the usual peak for Eee PC sales, CEO Jerry Shen dropped his company's netbook shipment estimates in the season to 1.4 million PCs, reportedly due to Apple's tablet. ASUS now expects to ship between seven and eight million Eee PCs through all of 2010.
Shen remained committed to the Eee PC line but also reassured investors that ASUS would compete with Apple in the tablet space through the Eee Pad line, which will now have Android as well as Windows 7 and Windows Embedded Compact 7 variants. The first of these won't start shipping until December at the earliest, however, and will give Apple a roughly eight month lead.

Apple has already outsold ASUS' combined spring and summer shipments with 3.27 million iPads having shipped worldwide. It's expected to only grow that number in the summer as it still faces seven- to 10-day shipping delays and retail shortages, even with increased production and wider availability.

The lowered forecasts partly mirror an overall cooling of netbook demand as the platform matures, but it may also reflect a growing dissatisfaction with the category compared to tablets like the iPad. Netbooks can run more software and cost less but are often subjectively slower due to the higher overhead of Windows and the relatively low power Atom chip. They also usually have shorter battery life while still measuring roughly twice as thick and heavy.


Read more: ASUS lowering Eee PC shipments due to iPad | Electronista

Gogar 08-16-2010 07:47 PM

You'll get it. Don't blame the machine. Its hardly ever the machine.

Z-man 08-16-2010 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 5510220)
Thats funny. I do the opposite. I always use the iPad around the house and always take the notebook when I travel. I like the ability to watch dvds (without a D/L) and most importantly, the ability to see Flash and use Office suite away from home.

Bottom line for most is this: an iPad is a great supplemental tool, but it cant take the place of a laptop.

There are some apps out there that will enable you to rip a DVD into an iTunes formatted video, and then you can import it to your iPad. Problem is, you need a PC or MAC to rip it to iTunes, and then you can copy it over to your iPad, since there is no way of connecting a DVD player to your iPAD.

I am considering getting an iPad once they have one which supports multi-tasking. (I'd say I'd also like to see one that supports flash, but I wouldn't hold my breath). Having to use a dongle to connect anything USB is a drag too, and an SD memory slot is sorely missing from the current iPAD.

Would would really be nice is if they had a way of attaching an external DVD drive to the unit, and be able to copy the DVD onto the iPAD without having to buy a movie via iTunes, or rent a video via the NetFlicks app. Why should I pay once again for a movie that I already own?

And if you want to watch Hulu shows on your iPad? No problem as long as you pay the price ($8.99) to become a premium Hulu user. <-- yet another rip-off!!

So for me the bottom line is this: I like the iPad, but there are quite a few things that need to be tweaked on it before I seriously consider getting one. And the new iPhone OS4 doesn't even have half of this tweaks I desire.

-Z-man.

enzo1 08-16-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5510226)
If he bought it at an Apple store they would have activated it for him before he left the store then iTunes would only have been required for sync and backup.

Maybe he should be mad at Best Buy.

+1.... Bestbuy , LOL :( go to an Apple store, much better

JavaBrewer 08-16-2010 08:26 PM

iTunes is a gigantic CF targeted for people who can't think for themselves.

Gogar 08-16-2010 08:53 PM

Quote:

iTunes is a gigantic CF targeted for people who can't think for themselves.
Yeah. Just like Costco, the Internet, freeways, and 5,000 other things!

island911 08-16-2010 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enzo1 (Post 5510238)
It's not supposed to take the place of a laptop, now a netbook is another matter..... ASUS lowering Eee PC shipments due to iPad
updated 10:00 am EDT, Mon August 16, 2010ASUS drops netbook aims after iPad impact

The iPad's cooling effect on netbooks may have had its first clear evidence after an ASUS presentation at an investors' conference on Friday. Despite summer being the usual peak for Eee PC sales, CEO Jerry Shen dropped his company's netbook shipment estimates in the season to 1.4 million PCs, reportedly due to Apple's tablet. ASUS now expects to ship between seven and eight million Eee PCs through all of 2010.
Shen remained committed to the Eee PC line but also reassured investors that ASUS would compete with Apple in the tablet space through the Eee Pad line, which will now have Android as well as Windows 7 and Windows Embedded Compact 7 variants. The first of these won't start shipping until December at the earliest, however, and will give Apple a roughly eight month lead.

Apple has already outsold ASUS' combined spring and summer shipments with 3.27 million iPads having shipped worldwide. It's expected to only grow that number in the summer as it still faces seven- to 10-day shipping delays and retail shortages, even with increased production and wider availability.

The lowered forecasts partly mirror an overall cooling of netbook demand as the platform matures, but it may also reflect a growing dissatisfaction with the category compared to tablets like the iPad. Netbooks can run more software and cost less but are often subjectively slower due to the higher overhead of Windows and the relatively low power Atom chip. They also usually have shorter battery life while still measuring roughly twice as thick and heavy.


Read more: ASUS lowering Eee PC shipments due to iPad | Electronista


Geez, you're comparing Apple to ASUS? . . .is it that bad?

I mean, sure, the iPad has a funny name, and that giant Etch-a-Sketch sized bezel, with a 4:3 ratio to match that 'last millenium' look ... can't multi-task, no camera, no skype. ..etc. ...but to claim to be slowing down ASUS sales? . . just because someone doesn't like the thing? ..h'okay...

btw, just how much Apple stock do you own? :eek:

9dreizig 08-16-2010 09:55 PM

Fwiw I love my iPad
And I'm an idiot

EdT82SC 08-16-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5510375)
Geez, you're comparing Apple to ASUS? . . .is it that bad?

I mean, sure, the iPad has a funny name, and that giant Etch-a-Sketch sized bezel, with a 4:3 ratio to match that 'last millenium' look ... can't multi-task, no camera, no skype. ..etc. ...but to claim to be slowing down ASUS sales? . . just because someone doesn't like the thing? ..h'okay...

btw, just how much Apple stock do you own? :eek:

You are wrong about no multitasking. The UI only displays a single app at a time, but multiple apps can be doing things in the background. e.g safari can load pages, while google maps is downloading a map, while you simultaneously check your email.

BTW, Skype works great with my bluetooth headset too.

I can tell you have used an iPad, and actually know what you are talking about.

89-944NA 08-16-2010 10:06 PM

damn, my ipad works great, never a problem...use it more than the laptop or the pc...actually, the pc is now in the garage with my copy of the porsche pet, dealer parts price list, and numerous other car related programs on it

island911 08-16-2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdT82SC (Post 5510400)
You are wrong about no multitasking. The UI only displays a single app at a time, but multiple apps can be doing things in the background. e.g safari can load pages, while google maps is downloading a map, while you simultaneously check your email.

BTW, Skype works great with my bluetooth headset too.

I can tell you have used an iPad, and actually know what you are talking about.

HA! yeah, I'm just comparing to my (ancient) Samsung tablet. ...where it is a real (multitasking) computer w/ a 16:9 LED backlit screen and a front (and rear) cameras.

Skyping, even yers ago, with engineers in China, video was a must. ...and now years later, Apple pad can do VOIP (and WiFi only) :rolleyes:. . .as long as you don't need to have other info on your screen at the same time. --Abbreviated Sype, and abbreviated multitask. . .yeah, I don't know WHAT I'm talking about. Apple is showing the tablet market true innovation.

btw, does the iPad have a built-in mic? :cool:

wcc 08-17-2010 02:52 AM

Ok, it went (still going on) like this so far. Got it home around 6:30 and pulled it out of the box. Pressed the button and all it shows is a USB going to iTunes. So I touch the screen and push buttons for a while. Gave up and messed with the kids. Went back to it a little while later and finally got out the instructions and it says to sync with iTunes. That can't be right? So I go to Laptop and I download it at least a dozen times in a variety of ways with IE & Firefox. Run, Open, Save As. Nothing works, either the .exe file isn't there or when I double click it it doesn't do anything. Any ideas on how to get it on my laptop?

So I go back to the iPad thinking WHY WON'T YOU WORK WITHOUT ITUNES! So after getting more pissed off I went to my other computer and I'm trying it there. I gave up around 10:30 last night. So here I am with this super cool new toy that I can't use because I can't get to iTunes, which I don't even care about yet. I just want to surf the web and check my email, that's it for now. At least give me that! sheesh!

I'll mess with it more tonight....

island911 08-17-2010 07:44 AM

maybes this will help.

Quote:

I'll tell you some of the problems you might expect to encounter if you buy one.

First: You can't use it without syncing it to iTunes first. It's kind of a buzzkill to take your long-anticipated iPad out of its box, switch it on, get ready to play, and instead see an icon saying you need to connect to iTunes. Instead of getting right down to futuristic computing, you're going to be spending the next few minutes configuring things.

Did I say a few minutes? My first sync took more than an hour, while the iPad imported copies of all the data and settings that were on my iPhone. During that time, I chewed my nails down to my elbows.

Subsequent syncs also took a long time, more than a half-hour. At one point, I started a sync immediately after a sync ended, and even that second sync took 11 minutes--it should have taken just a few seconds, just long enough for the iPad and iMac to shake hands and realize there were no updates. Instead, the sync took forever, like two teen-age lovers who can't bear to end a phone call ("You hang up!" "No, you first!")

The slow sync problem went away by itself on my Sunday, my second day with the iPad. I'm still chasing down the cause of that bug. I think the problem might not be on the iPad; it might be on the Mac, specifically a problem with ....
Apple iPad: Still some bugs and rough edges - Computerworld Blogs

masraum 08-17-2010 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5510375)
with a 4:3 ratio to match that 'last millenium' look ...

a 4:3 ratio maximizes space for the size.

If you compare a 10" screen in 4:3 and then you compare a 10" screen that's laid out in 16:9, you'll have more square inches of space on the 4:3 screen. Sadly, you'll probably pay the same or more for the 16:9 because it's "modern".

On something that works like a computer screen area is important. For something like an ipad, portability is important. something closer to square (more compact) should be more portable than something that's long and skinny (less compact)

Thanks, I'd rather have 4:3.

island911 08-17-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5510963)
a 4:3 ratio maximizes space for the size.

If you compare a 10" screen in 4:3 and then you compare a 10" screen that's laid out in 16:9, you'll have more square inches of space on the 4:3 screen. Sadly, you'll probably pay the same or more for the 16:9 because it's "modern".

On something that works like a computer screen area is important. For something like an ipad, portability is important. something closer to square (more compact) should be more portable than something that's long and skinny (less compact)

Thanks, I'd rather have 4:3.

So then, you must really hate the aspect ratio of the iPhone and iTouch. ...and really like the "compact" (huge) bezel around the iPad.

...I mean, C'mon! The iPad is as portable as an Etch-a-Sketch.

island911 08-17-2010 08:46 AM

here ya go... (it's actually bigger than the EtchaSketch, making the ipad less portable --my bad. )

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1282063551.jpg

Tim Hancock 08-17-2010 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcc (Post 5510509)
Ok, it went (still going on) like this so far. Got it home around 6:30 and pulled it out of the box. Pressed the button and all it shows is a USB going to iTunes. So I touch the screen and push buttons for a while. Gave up and messed with the kids. Went back to it a little while later and finally got out the instructions and it says to sync with iTunes. That can't be right? So I go to Laptop and I download it at least a dozen times in a variety of ways with IE & Firefox. Run, Open, Save As. Nothing works, either the .exe file isn't there or when I double click it it doesn't do anything. Any ideas on how to get it on my laptop?

So I go back to the iPad thinking WHY WON'T YOU WORK WITHOUT ITUNES! So after getting more pissed off I went to my other computer and I'm trying it there. I gave up around 10:30 last night. So here I am with this super cool new toy that I can't use because I can't get to iTunes, which I don't even care about yet. I just want to surf the web and check my email, that's it for now. At least give me that! sheesh!

I'll mess with it more tonight....

I would have already returned it and kicked my self in the @ss for even considering buying one of these over priced hyped up techno wizz gadgets that I really do not need. ;)

gr8fl4porsche 08-17-2010 09:05 AM

The bezel is there to have a place to put your thumbs.
Without it, you would be touching the webpage resulting in likely unwanted clicking.

It goes all the way around the pad since you can hold it in many positions depending on the programming of the page or app that you are using.

Love my pad!! Battery life is outstanding. I use mine mainly in bed to surf and watch TV at the same time. I charge it about every 2 weeks! Instant on, doesn't get hot and fits nicely on the night stand.

Regarding first usage. Yes, itunes is required. Not sure why you are having trouble installing itunes on a PC? Something is not right on your end. Once you get the device up and running and understand how to sync properly, it all works quite well.

If your iPad is syncing everything from your iPhone backup, then you are not setting it up correctly. You only want iPad apps - not iPhone apps. They can be different.

I always start from scratch when I restore and reload the iOS. iTunes will back up all your apps (from all your devices) then you can simply check which ever ones you want to load.
This is so you only have to purchase the app once and can use it on all your toys.

JavaBrewer 08-17-2010 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcc (Post 5510509)
Ok, it went (still going on) like this so far. Got it home around 6:30 and pulled it out of the box. Pressed the button and all it shows is a USB going to iTunes. So I touch the screen and push buttons for a while. Gave up and messed with the kids. Went back to it a little while later and finally got out the instructions and it says to sync with iTunes. That can't be right? So I go to Laptop and I download it at least a dozen times in a variety of ways with IE & Firefox. Run, Open, Save As. Nothing works, either the .exe file isn't there or when I double click it it doesn't do anything. Any ideas on how to get it on my laptop?

So I go back to the iPad thinking WHY WON'T YOU WORK WITHOUT ITUNES! So after getting more pissed off I went to my other computer and I'm trying it there. I gave up around 10:30 last night. So here I am with this super cool new toy that I can't use because I can't get to iTunes, which I don't even care about yet. I just want to surf the web and check my email, that's it for now. At least give me that! sheesh!

I'll mess with it more tonight....

Your issue sounds like you're not able to download the iTunes.exe and/or it is downloading but not to where you think it is. From Firefox go to menu bar "Tools" and "Options". Look at your Downloads settings to see where FF is saving downloads to. Uncheck the "Close window when download completes" option. With FF go to the iTunes site and elect to "Save as" - not the name of the file that it will save in the dialog. When you click Ok Firefox will show the downloads window and progress.

stomachmonkey 08-17-2010 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche (Post 5511066)
The bezel is there to have a place to put your thumbs.
Without it, you would be touching the webpage resulting in likely unwanted clicking.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean seriously, the thing should have been designed to levitate and automagically anticipate the optimal orientation based on your body position. :rolleyes:

gtc 08-17-2010 09:50 AM

Are you the guy that makes up/modifies songs and posts them in Jalopnik comments?

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 5510101)
You don't answer my call
With even a nod or a twitch
But you gaze at your own profile!
You don't seem to see me
But I think you can see yourself.
How can the iPad affect you?
Can you hear me
Or do I surmise
That you fear me can you feel my temper
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
Rise, rise, rise!
Do you hear or fear or
Do I smash the iPad?
Do you hear or fear or
Do I smash the iPad?


island911 08-17-2010 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche (Post 5511066)
The bezel is there to have a place to put your thumbs.
Without it, you would be touching the webpage resulting in likely unwanted clicking.
...

:rolleyes: I've owned a few tablets over the years and can tell you, the iPad has horrible ergonomics. IF Apple brought the outside dimensions in a few cm's, the device could be 'palmed' from behind by many more users. --I can just barely palm the device, but it's not comfortable.

Have you noticed how tight the screen bezel is on the iPhone? ...does that have bad touch-interference issues? --No, it looks good, and feels good.

masraum 08-17-2010 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5511001)
So then, you must really hate the aspect ratio of the iPhone and iTouch. ...and really like the "compact" (huge) bezel around the iPad.

...I mean, C'mon! The iPad is as portable as an Etch-a-Sketch.

And compared to a pebble, or a grain of sand, an iPhone isn't portable. Great comparison, BTW

So you're comparing phones (and iPods) to a tablet? They fill 2 different roles. Most pockets in pants, jackets, etc... (where phones are usually carried) aren't square. A square or round phone would be counter productive. I'm pretty sure that no one has ever expected to be able to carry an iPad in their pocket.

For something that you wouldn't expect to fit in a pocket, that fills the role that an iPad fills, a more square aspect ratio is better because it provides more screen space in a smaller package.

I also think Dell is being silly marketing their Streak as a tablet when it's a 5" phone (which to me makes it borderline too big to be a phone, but too small to be an effective tablet.

Hey, actually I did read about an upcoming tablet the other day that you might like. It's got a touch screen on the front and on the back. No, I'm serious. I want to say it was a Samsung, but I'm not certain.

mossguy 08-17-2010 10:59 AM

Role

masraum 08-17-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 5511307)
Role

Damn, that's what I get for letting my phone run spell check as I type.

red-beard 08-17-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 5510260)
Having to use a dongle to connect anything USB is a drag too, and an SD memory slot is sorely missing from the current iPAD.

-Z-man.

Can you sync the iPad using Bluetooth or must you use a cable? I usually sync my phones using Bluetooth. About the only time I use a cable is when I want to save battery life on the phone while connecting to the internet through the phone.

wcc 08-17-2010 01:31 PM

Well setting up iTunes on my desktop worked. I'm posting with the iPad. I still can't figure out why the laptop won't allow the iTunes to be installed? I am now getting a Windows Installer stopped working. Sounds like the laptop has some issues that I need to work on... Never ends!

idontknow 08-17-2010 04:35 PM

Does the 3G ipad need to sync to another device as well or can update itself through it's own internet connection?


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