where to buy your Porsche's gas

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

The Department of energy reports that the five biggest importers of Middle Eastern oil are (in descending order) Shell, Chevron/Texaco, Exxon/Mobil, Marathon and BP Amoco, who, at $30 a barrel, annually send about $18 billion to the countries that would be delighted by the death of me, my family and all my friends.

Five companies, however, that between them all import exactly zero barrels of Middle Eastern oil are Citgo, Sunoco, Conoco, Sinclair and Phillips.

Depends where you want to send your money...

Stephan

[rstoll]

Good info, thanks.

[widebody911]

Yea, but *where* do those other companies get *their* oil?

This has an Urban Legend smell to it already...

[supertedusa]

You're fighting an uphill battle if you're hoping to avoid Mid East oil in this country. You'll have to start avoiding plastics and other petrolium-based products that bleed into about everything made in the US in one way or another.

Nice thought, though.

[boyo]

Hmm...I've lived near Sacramento, CA all my life, and can't ever remember seeing a Citgo, Sunoco, Conoco, Sinclair or Phillips station. What about dat?

If you've ever flown over Texas, you know where that non-mideast oil comes from! Oil wells for hundreds of miles.

-Boyo

[supertedusa]

You can't leave Oklahoma out of that fly-by bro.

Go Sooners.

[beepbeep]

Well, best gas for non-smoged 930 is probably bough at local airstrip...that Cessna-juice is just perfect!

[Jack Olsen]

...send about $18 billion to the countries that would be delighted by the death of me, my family and all my friends.

C'mon, Stephan. You're far too intelligent a guy to stand by a remark like that. The Oklahoma City bombers came from the U.S. Does that mean that all North Americans are out to destroy the Federal Government? And even during World War II, the fact that Japan was out to get us didn't mean that the people living in Mongolia, Korea or China felt a similar need to see America brought to its knees.

Buying a Porsche doesn't mean we're throwing our money into the historic desire of Germany to swallow up France, does it?

There are plenty of reasons to avoid buying middle-eastern oil -- the guys have put together a price-fixing cartel that would never pass muster with U.S. laws, for starters. But assigning genocidal intent to a group of people based on geography and/or religious beliefs is a pretty clumsy way to sort your friends from your enemies.

[beepbeep]

*cough*

this forum is getting a little bit redneck for my taste...
Handgun discussions, gas boycott ... what's next?? Can't you guys throw in some death-penalty talk just to round off??

U.S. is probably the last country in the world that would tolerate higher gas-prices...

Hell yeah, just go and boycott them...you and V8-driving soccer mommies. Do you think american economy would be what it is w/o cheap middle-east oil? Actually, stable oil-prices are so important that Bush pulled the war in the beggining of the 90's just to protect it...or do you think US was protecting "poor" Kuwaitees? :-)))

I'm not saying we europeans are better in any sense, just that things ain't so black and white...



P.S.
You helped those guys (Talibans) just 15 years ago when U.S. were fighting commies in Afganistan...now we have people saying "they want us dead"...

P.P.S.
Yeah, i know, it's a tech BBS...but this B/W quasi-social-awarness and handgun discussion get me going...

[boyo]

Hydrogen powered electric Porsches for everyone!

-Boyo

[Planter91C2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by beepbeep
[B]*cough*

this forum is getting a little bit redneck for my taste...
Handgun discussions, gas boycott ... what's next?? Can't you guys throw in some death-penalty talk just to round off??

U.S. is probably the last country in the world that would tolerate higher gas-prices...

Hell yeah, just go and boycott them...you and V8-driving soccer mommies. Do you think american economy would be what it is w/o cheap middle-east oil? Actually, stable oil-prices are so important that Bush pulled the war in the beggining of the 90's just to protect it...or do you think US was protecting "poor" Kuwaitees? :-)))

I'm not saying we europeans are better in any sense, just that things ain't so black and white...


oh, they "ain't so black and white"???? sounds like a statement from somone who is not confident in his decision making.

europeans for some reason are more liberal in their ideas. i don't know why. i met an exchange student who was from france and he said that a significant amount of the kids at his school were openly gay or very experimrntative. i guess they just couldn't decide .

also, your above statements seem anti-american.

[supertedusa]

Geeeeeeeez - before you take liberties flaming the US and Americans on the board, take a long breath. Not like your country's leading by example. Do you guys do anything for any other country around the world?

Please, enlighten us on your vast network of global assistance and humanitarian programs for needy nations before you start throwing this crap at us. A Sweede shouting about global politics? Please.

[beepbeep]

Planter:

"Things ain't black and white" is a polite way of saying "i don't share your toughts..." I think it's better to put it that way than to start ranting.

I just think that this kinds of discussions are not so "giving" in tech forum...especially where you have such a mix of different opinions and cultures.

And yes, i'm pretty liberal... Are europeans more liberal? Dunno ... probably ... let's just say that europe has a leghty history of being "nonliberal" so to speak...so we are probably (over?)compensating... :-)

Ahh...yes...kinds experiment with their sexuality, it's probably easier in more liberal comunities. Anyway, i'll rather have my kid in a school with "unconfident" kids than in a school with "confident" gunpacking kids.

Time to move this thread...

[beepbeep]

If swedes did anything for the other nations...hmm....let's see...we are payin highest percentage of BNP to help undeveloped nations of all countries in the world...we supported non-apartheid movemen long before it was "politically correct"... does that count? :-)

honestly...i have a feeling that this threas is going to degenerate ... actually, boycott might be good for american car industry...it will force them to develop more efficient engines....so i'm wrong...you are right...sorry! :-)

Time to go to bed...i'm not going to post on this thread anymore.

[Jack Olsen]

Okay, I'm as guilty as anyone on this one. But since we're not even talking about gas, any more, I'm going to move this to the off-topic forum...

[Jim Sims]

Oil fire! Activate the Halon! Jim

[beepbeep]

Yeah , now it's officially off-topic!!!!!

Anyone want's to discuss welfare-state and gun-prohibition with me??

We can throw in some UN-funding talk for good measure...discuss global politics and such

[rstoll]

Heh Heh Heh, More good info.....thanks

[cegerer]

Man I love these false-perceptions people have of us 'redneck' hillbillies in the USA. They're so incredibly easy to debunk by simply looking at the facts:

In 1994, violent crime (murder, rape, assault, and robbery) was 713 per 100,000 population in the USA!!!!!!!! Gun-paranoid Sweden was much, much less at a mere 705 per 100,000 . That's right, for all intents and purposes, the violent crime rate is the same in the USA and Sweden. Hmmmm ....

Need more? For overall crime (crimes of all types), gun-toting cowboy Americans rank a measly 17th out of 24 countries. Any guesses on Numero Uno? Yup. Sweden! Sweden also tops the world in auto theft crimes.

Humanitarian aid? Surely you jest. 28% of all humanitarian aid comes from the USA. Sweden? Well, they're lumped in with a bunch of other European countries at 17%. And that only includes government funded aid, not private donations. There is no more generous nation in the history of the world than the USA. We have propped up more countries than we can count. We send money, equipment and personel to disasters around the globe. It's become expected of us. Funny, I don't recall Sweden (or any other country) setting up camp in Manhatten to help us out after the WTC disaster. That's OK. We can take care of ourselves. -- Curt

[beepbeep]

Huh?

I would really like to se where you get your statistics from! :-DD
What kind of statistics is this? You say sweden is "lumped" together with other european nations?? I tought we talked nations and not continents here...? If we "lump" US together with south/north america, how good will it's stats sound? Sweden has 8 million citizens and *IS* using highest percentag of it's BNP to help developing nations... this is *A FACT*.

And if we are really talking "help" , lets mention how you guys *really* helped those Vietnamese in 60's...no, really! they recieved lot's of help...! And yes...those Talibans also recieved "help" in the 80's (this is a fact! Check it out if you don't believe!...CIA "sponsored" talibans with Stingers and weapons to help them fight Afgan communist puppet goverment)...that "help" obviously backfired. Hmm...somalis were also "helped"...now there is a movie made describing "help".

And sweden is leading the world in amount of overall crime too!?? Hmm...i never heard that before...but it's probably our "guv'mint" thats witholds those facts from us! :-D Liberal gun-shy welfare socialists as they are ;-)

And a solution for ending middle-east gas monopol:

To support american industry, you should buy gas from pumps that bought it from energy-broke(r) Enron!!!! Prefferably texas-pumped! :-D That way you'll help american jobs and support sitting goverment in one step! :-D

P.S.
Nobody mentioned "hillbillies" ... actually i really like americans but that self-centricity is sometimes laughable...

I'll never forget american girl i met in Germany asking me if "we have same probems with vikings as americans have with blacks??" , she actually looking dead-serious when she asked!! :-D
I almost died laughing...