Why do pilots go through TSA?
 

The story linked below inspired to think about why do airline pilots have to go through TSA? This is utterly stupid, because if a pilot wants to destroy the plane, all he has to do is crash it, since he is the pilot...unless he needs a weapon to neutralize the copilot. Anyhow, you guys can comment.

Pilot Refuses Full-Body Scan, Says TSA Doesn’t Make Travel Safer « CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY

Public Relations - TSA doesn't stop the bad guys, it only makes the good guys feel good. Smoke and fun house mirrors...

TSA is a ridiculous charade.

United Airlines Flight 93 put an end to the idea that a passenger plane could be taken over, and used as a weapon. If a big jet is again used, as a missile, it will be a cargo plane(s) - not a passenger plane(s). ...seems SO freaking obvious.

All of this metal scanning is also misplaced effort. --ceramics anybody?

And, already, bad-guys shove weapons up their ass -- making all of TSA's efforts nothing more than an easter-egg hunt for the common traveler's bottled water, cans of pop, knitting needles and nipple piercings.

. . . but at least now, with really expensive back-scatter machines, TSA has images to share amongst themselves (for now) to keep the job interesting and fun. :rolleyes:

I think TSA is subsidized employment for folks who otherwise would be on unemployment. Keeps them off the streets, and lets them do their mischiefs in a controlled environment.

I like the TSA guys at the Bloomington airport. They bring a healthy dose of common sense to their jobs, they are courteous and polite. I've seen them politely tell people to stand off to the side to finish their drink (and can jump right back in the line), or tell people when they bring something prohibited through security that they will rush them through if they want to run back to their car to put it away (10 minutes roundtrip of walking at that airport).

I've also never seen TSA people behave like them at any other airport. ;)

They took my toothpaste away from me... but let my wife carry on a 8X10 picture frame... with glass in it. :rolleyes:

No one is going to hijack a plane with a gun or knife anymore. Why then are we restricted for these items, along with knitting needles, corkscrews, screw drivers, etc?

The only things we need to be concerned with are bombs. The body scanners are skin deep. They will not detect anything inserted in a body cavity or surgically implanted. While it might defeat the underwear bomber, it won't stop the next threat.

I'm with Mike on this one. It makes the flying sheeple THINK something is being done.

Oh... they let my wife also carry knitting needles on also.

This of the money we are wasting on this charade. :mad:

TSA here in Newark airport are the worst I've ever seen. I think they hire right off of Craigslist.

Apparently the largest contingent of Federally licensed to carry, uniformed, deputized "LEO's" is airline pilots.

TSA = Thousands Standing Around

I flew out of San Diego yesterday. The body scan was different - rather than a metal detector type walk through they had me (and everyone else) stand sideways with arms up and hands "like antlers". The sound and shape of the machine seemed like a panorex or CT type xray. I doubt they would have let me see the scan....... While lining up to board three TSA agents went through the line sort of randomly and asked to see ID's and boarding passes - that was a new one too. The re-look at the ID's had me thinking they might have missed someone or maybe just were using the manpower not needed because of no one coming into this two gate area. But it spooked me a bit.

The odd thing is that I usually fly with a giveaway cheap fabric case to keep my 'stuff' in one place. For five years and maybe 20 flights I have had bandage scissors inside and they have avoided TSA concern. When closed the scissors would look on xray like the tips are rounded but one of the blades is pointed. I figured they would get picked up and I would hand them over saying I forgot they were there. But now it has turned into a test of TSA effectiveness. Maybe the next step is to open the blades just a bit........ I'd like to tell them about the 20 other times theywere missed.

Knitting needles are okay.

Some jackass TSA "agent" in Denver confiscated the titanium bottle opener off my key chain. At my objection he called over his "supervisor" who concurred that it was a "potentially dangerous weapon". I'm sure he's popping a cold one right now with it. F(*&ers.

SMF is a great airport, wish all of them were like it!


Is a Leatherman ok :)

I forgot I had mine in my backpack, jumped on a flight from LAX to Hawaii and mid-flight reached into my bag for something and came up with my "tool" which (as you all know) has 2 pretty effective blades on it, one is basically a saw! Wooops! I quietly put it away.
It was loaded in the checked bags for the return flight.

One thought of how/why it got through TSA screening was this:
approaching the scanner/metal detector one of the agents yelled out a "code" every screening agent in the entire terminal stopped traffic, red lights flashing etc. It took them 15min to get the "all clear". Just then I went through security, all the agents were distracted and talking to each other about what had just happened.

Made me realize how easily "bad guys" could do the oldest trick in the book (create a diversion) and slip something through etc.

Pretty much a joke... But, how many other people noticed this breach? I'm sure I'm not the only one and pretty sure this wasn't an isolated incident.

Nope.

Forgot I had a mini in my briefcase.

Got thru 3 previous flights before they picked it up and confiscated.

I did have the option to mail it back to myself or put in checked baggage but no time for that so I lost it.

Don't take anything as a carry-on item that you value. Simple as that.

I usually have a bag with my ID, sunglasses, cell phone and a book or two. And maybe a sweatshirt. No keys, no nothin' else - it all goes in the checked bags.

Yeah it could be a PITA if the bags ever got delayed but it beats having some slacker TSA jerkoff help him or her self to it.

I suppose a pilot's badge and uniform wouldn't be impossible to counterfeit, and then you have a class of people who can wheel a flight case of hand grenades, submachine guns, whatever they like, into the airport, because they don't go through security. Smart idea, guys.

I wonder if the TSA knows that every aircraft that I have ever flow came equiped with a

****ing AXE! in the cockpit...

http://www.pirepics.com/albums/userp..._Crash_Axe.jpg


or if i wanted to crash.. wait till the other guy went to pee and lock him out. problem solved.

I could really care less if some highschool dropout wants to analyze every wrinkle of my balls in high definition 3D.. But what I do care about is is that they make the process longer. I used to be able to walk through without removing my belt or wallet.

Now I just pick the line without the radar nonsense. its just faster ;) .
(unless there are old people or strollers already in it)

If you think someone who is highly motivated cant get all that **** into the secure area.. your already mistaken...

Have you looked at who's loading you bags? they don't have to go through security

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Its security theater..... to make you feel better

You've got a point.

I had a UAL pilot stop me on the way off the plane and ask if I was a cop. I said "No. Why?" He said he had me on a list as having brought a gun on board. I said, "Yes, but I checked it." He said they didn't tell him that. So I asked why he was waiting until we landed to ask me about it. He said he figured I might have been a sky marshal. Then I asked him why they stuck me in the last row on the plane and how I'd be able to help them from there. He said it was no big deal.

I usually spot the Sky Marshalls. I think it comes from concealed carry. Once you known how most people do it, you can spot it pretty quickly. It's how I spottted the guy in Mexico that was NOT law enforcement and was carrying.

Having a TWIC card helps. It doesn't eliminate all the BS but it cuts it down a little.

Of course I could look it up, but it's more fun to ask. What does TWIC stand for? "This Whitey Is Cleared" :)

FYI, they're not called Sky Marshals anymore. That changed after the creation of the DHS/FAM Service.

I've been the lead security instructor at my airline for a while now. I get a weekly briefing from the different Federal Security Directors on current events at our different bases.

I could go on and on. In a nutshell....I'll just say that public perception is a large a factor to the "workings" of the TSA.

Yep.

One project I'm working on is at an airport terminal doing a remodel of some interior spaces. Despite all the TSA and security B.S. I've already spotted about a dozen ways someone could EASILY access and/or blow up an airplane if they were really hell-bent on doing it. Most of this security stuff is a show to set the average dumbass traveler at ease with a false sense of security so they'll keep their wallets cracked open.

Fortunately (for airline travelers) I think the next A.Q. attack is unlikely to be a transportation target - it'll be far easier for them to get some AR-15s or AK-47s and simultaneously open up on a few shopping malls kinda like what happened in Mumbai. Seriously - can you imagine how badly that would throw our feeble economy in the schitter at this point? Don't think they haven't thought about it too. After being thwarted with bombs in underwear and shoes I wouldn't be surprised to see them change their tactics, even though they'd love to blow up an airplane I think they've realized that lower-tech, less "dramatic" attacks can do a lot of lasting damage, if that's their goal.

So be vigilant. Not paranoid, but aware. We're vulnerable as a society and a nation right now and the enemy knows it.

Yep, that's it. good guess.








Naw, it's actually a transportation worker identification credential.
https://twicprogram.tsa.dhs.gov/TWICWebApp/
Basically they check your driver's license, check your social security card, and charge you $132.50 for an official looking badge every 5 years.
BTW, we've been doing this exact same verification prior to hiring for decades already, but we didn't charge the $132.50. That extra cost only started when congress got involved.

About all it's good for is you don't have to stand in line at an airport.

They have a similar program for cutting immigration lines that they were advertising last time I came in from France at Newark. The agent was actually handing cards to the people in line. Also about 100 bucks for 5 years. Those agencies must be looking for new revenue sources.

The CDN/US version is Nexus. It saves me 20+ minutes every time I fly out & 10-20 minutes on return. You do not hop security however. It is a bargain for $50 for 5 years imho. Fingerprints & eye scan & mild security check are done during the application process. My frequent flyer status gives me a fast track lane for security in Canada but it is just a line jump. Last week they were doing a laptop day - every laptop was swabbed.

Ian

It's those nipple piercings that will keep the body scanning going.

My wife has a TWIC. It hasn't helped her. Maybe she doesn't know.

(Edit) Just checked with her. She said she's had some success, but the last time she went through Birmingham AL, they refused it saying too many fakes.

Nice.

Bureaucracy.

It's the same reason I was required to surrender my fingernail clippers on a military C-17 flight to the mid east in 2001. Did I mention I had a GAU slung on my chest and about 1,200 lbs of 1.1 explosives not 5 foot away in a M-101 trailer?

My rifle was ok... my very explosive roll on cargo was ok... But those damn fingernail clippers gotta go...

We only have to go through security at airports other than our base. At our base, we have an airport SIDA badge, which lets us bypass security. At any other airport, like on overnights, etc, we have to go through, but with "different" rules, as Im allowed to carry as much liquid, toothpaste, or whatever, that i can fit into my bag. This guy really had no reason to cause such a stir.

Not this guy apparently:

Pilot who refused body scan at Memphis International blasts TSA security » The Commercial Appeal

just flew last week with a scuba regulator in my carryon. I had a couple of end wrenches in the regulator bag that I use to tighten the hoses occasionally. At both my home airport and at Heathrow, they had to check with a supervisor to see if they were OK. They were. but I'm not sure what the problem would be with them. The largest was a 5/8 combo probably 8" long. Anyway, they will be in checked luggage on the way home.

TSA are complete clowns--It is the flipping burgers of airport employment. They make me sick with their attitude. Two years ago I watched in disgust as an obese TSA lady yelled at an Asian family going through Pittsburgh security because they had put their boarding passes back into their pockets after the intial "desk check". It was obvious that English was not their first language, and they all had their passports out. But Fatty Mcfatass thought volume=understanding and was yelling untill a traveler close to the family showed them the boarding pass and through hand signals indicated what they needed to do. Nice representation to foreign travelers..loud, fat, and obnoxious.

In 2002 I was in Lancaster PA (Malvern) on bidness.
I was preparing to fly home from philly airport and wanted to get some sort of souvenir for my daughter.
There was a small shop right next to the security gate so I popped in and found a small liberty bell that was a pencil sharpener. it was over-priced at $7 but I said what the heck.
It was the type where you put the pencil in and manually turn it to sharpen the pencil.

I bought it and stuck it in my carry-on bag, still in the box and bad with the receipt in it.

It got flagged and they searched me and the luggage. Full pat down, hand-held wand, K9, the whole thing.
They asked what it was, I told them and pointed to the item in the window of the shop not more than 15 feet behind them.
Now, there is no way, no way at all that this device could be used to harm someone expect maybe if I threw it at them, but he had to call his stupidvisor.
It took 5 minutes to convince them that it was safe and I was not a threat.
They tried to tell me that i could only get through security if I left it behind, prolly so one of them could snag it.
I stuck to my guns and said no way, and I might have mentioned something that could have been mis-construed as meaning that my wife was a news reporter for NBC and she was gonna have a field day with this.
She wasn't, but It might have accidentally sounded out that way ;)

Geeez, what a bunch of imbeciles.

There was a big debate about knitting needles. Turns out the biggest threat is someone's grandmother knitting an Afghan on the airplane.