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VINMAN 11-17-2010 05:54 AM

Can you think of a punishment for this?
 
This is beyond sickening. I cant think of a violent enough punishment for these $cumbags.:mad:
If this was my daughter, i'd find anyway possible to get at each and everyone. This is why I couldnt be a cop. My self control would be nonexistant.

I cant understand how any lawyer in good conscience could ever defend people like this.

Police officer describes horror of finding gang-rape victim naked on park bench | Mail Online

'I thought she was dead': Policeman describes horror of finding bloody and naked gang-rape victim, 16, on park bench
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:28 AM on 17th November 2010
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He breaks down during trial of seven men charged with two-hour sex attack
Girl had been walking home from school dance

Officer Gunnar Googins explained that suspect Manuel Ortega told him to 'just go ahead and kill me'
A policeman broke down in court as he described finding a gang-rape victim in such a shocking condition he thought she was dead.
The 16-year-old, who had been attacked coming home from a school homecoming dance in Richmond, San Francisco, was slung naked across a park bench, bloodied and vomiting while her alleged attackers ran from the scene.
Seven men are standing trial for the sex assault in October 2009 – six, ranging in age from 16 to 43, could face life imprisonment for their involvement.

And Elvis Torrentes, of Richmond, faces charges including aiding the act of rape that could land him in prison for 26 years.
Witnesses told police that as many as 20 people had participated in the two-hour rape, but only the seven in court yesterday have been arrested.

‘She was wet and clammy,’ officer Todd Kaiser, the first witness to testify, said at Contra Costa County Superior Court in Martinez yesterday.

‘I thought she was dead. The only thing touching the ground was the tops of her feet and the side of her face.
‘I went up and shook her and she moaned a little bit.'

He told the court that the victim's father had arrived while the girl was at the rape site, waiting to be taken by helicopter to John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek.
The father said he had been frantically calling his daughter for some time when he couldn't locate her after the dance.
Finally a male had picked up the phone, officer Kaiser said.
‘The male told him “how good his daughter” performed sex acts,’ he said.
Officer Kaiser's colleague on the scene, Gunnar Googins, testified that he had arrived at the scene just after another officer caught Manuel Ortega, 20, running away.
Accused: Three of the alleged rapists are led from court. Six of the suspects face life in prison if convicted
‘I went over to where (the other officer) and Ortega were, and he (Ortega) said, “I just wanted to pimp her out”,’ Googins testified. Ortega was drunk, he said.
Officer Googins said he had asked Ortega ‘what he meant by “pimping her out” and he answered: “Just go ahead and kill me.” He said it several times.’
The other defendants are Cody Smith, 16, Ari Morales, 17, Jose Montano, 19, Marcelles Peter, 18, and John Crane Junior, 43.

The preliminary hearing before Judge Gregory Caskey is expected to last one to three weeks.


Read more: Police officer describes horror of finding gang-rape victim naked on park bench | Mail Online

Skytrooper 11-17-2010 06:09 AM

The best punishment is to put them right into GP (general population) in prison, with a huge tattoo on their faces saying "F**k me I love guys" .

Or.... of course if Mr. Ortega wants to be their spokesman, then you could use his thought process and chain them all to beds in San Francisco and have the state pimp them out to other gay men to raise for the state of Cali


These kind of punks just sicken me

GH85Carrera 11-17-2010 06:13 AM

Yep, 20 years in prison as cell mates of the biggest meanest dudes. Explain by example the real meaning of rape. Then after 20 years execute them.

Jeff Higgins 11-17-2010 06:17 AM

Just turn 'em all over to her dad. Let him do whatever he wants with them. I can come up with a few things I know I would do, without even giving it much thought.

masraum 11-17-2010 06:28 AM

Lots of horrible punishments come to mind, but probably best to publicly execute them to send a message.

Z-man 11-17-2010 06:39 AM

Hammurabi's code: "an eye for an eye." comes to mind here, where the end result would be these scumbags slumped over a park bench beaten and mangled to within an inch of death.

aap1966 11-17-2010 06:45 AM

General population.
No protection.
Leave in a box.

sc_rufctr 11-17-2010 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5678061)
Lots of horrible punishments come to mind, but probably best to publicly execute them to send a message.

I thought the same thing after reading the OP.

OK... If i was the judge it would be life in prison. That's real life not 20 odd years or some other BS.
If the death penalty was an option then I would consider that depending on what actually happened at the scene. Who did what etc.

We had a similar case that happened in Sydney some years ago.
Pack rape by 6 guys and big court case after. 4 of the guys got life and 2 got 15 years each. (from memory)
The fall out from that case has been widespread. They were an ethnic minority and the so called leaders of this minority spoke out saying they got heavy penalties because they weren't white Aussies.
Typical BS. They got off light if you ask me. :mad:

The saddest part of this is that this is all too common.

It always makes the news because it's a diabolical act that's very difficult if not impossible to understand.

Rikao4 11-17-2010 07:06 AM

I have no children..
I have a family..
as do they..
Ortega may not care about himself any longer..
let him worry about ..........

Rika

masraum 11-17-2010 07:07 AM

I guess a public execution by being drawn and quartered might be acceptible.

The Gaijin 11-17-2010 07:17 AM

New York papers today have the same old story. Convicted ex-con sex abuser and rapist, caught up dealing drugs is given a month delay before starting his most recent sentence. Harvard trained lawyer appointed judge allowed for this..

Now caught beating, raping and robbing co-ed in her own apartment. Caught on video using her stolen credit card.

Why aren't some people for some crimes just locked up for life? Does any normal person anywhere think this piece of **** would ever become a productive member of society?

speeder 11-17-2010 07:17 AM

I don't think they'll do well in Folsom or San Quentin. Rapists are not real popular. This will all work-out...

myamoto1 11-17-2010 08:05 AM

If that happened to my daughter, I guarantee you I'd be up for execution when I was done with them

daepp 11-17-2010 09:54 AM

Interesting that we get this news from a British newspaper. And I wonder if a US paper would publish the perps' pics?

L8Brakr 11-17-2010 09:54 AM

Tell them they are to be castrated. Once out on the table, give them all sex change operations, let them wake up as women in the middle of Taliban territory, alone and naked.

Rikao4 11-17-2010 10:13 AM

Pics..'
doubtful..
seems these things have rights..

Rika

vash 11-17-2010 10:14 AM

insert barbed wire into a slender tube. insert the entire thing into their rectum..carefully remove the tube, leaving the barbed wire in place. then yank, or dont yank..whatever.

but theeen dump them into taliban territory.. let them do the yanking.

GothingNC 11-17-2010 10:23 AM

Have him sit in a bucket of hydrochloric acid diluted just enough to cause a slow painful burning sensation,

speeder 11-17-2010 10:47 AM

I actually like Rick Lee's *boil people alive in bacon grease* a lot in terms of depraved torture fantasies.

pwd72s 11-17-2010 10:52 AM

Getting right down to it, I wouldn't have the stomach to do what these guys deserve.

Others in prison may have...

Rikao4 11-17-2010 11:16 AM

maybe..
change the girl to someone you know or love..
the other thing is..
you may perhaps view these things as 'human beings'..
I would have no problem tossing them overboard at sea..
or leaving them in a sack on a 4-lane hwy..

Rika

flatbutt 11-17-2010 11:49 AM

they won't get what we think they deserve. Some are of a minor age and a bleeding heart liberal will try to get them off easy. Some may be illegals and may just be deported. Frankly i'd like to see them dead...just plain dead.

onlycafe 11-17-2010 12:10 PM

rope, stakes, honey, and fire ants.
they're a picnic.

pwd72s 11-17-2010 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 5678652)
they won't get what we think they deserve. Some are of a minor age and a bleeding heart liberal will try to get them off easy. Some may be illegals and may just be deported. Frankly i'd like to see them dead...just plain dead.

Yes! It's always best to simply exterminate vermin. As quickly and efficiently as possible.

VINMAN 11-17-2010 12:40 PM

Having a daughter, I just could not imagine what this girls father went through. :mad:

GH85Carrera 11-17-2010 12:52 PM

The courts were not squeamish in their treatment of the serial killer. First he was tortured, and then hot oil was poured into his wounds. Then the culprit was tied to the rack, where his arms and legs were broken. In the end, he was quartered.

Purification Through Pain: A Fresh Look at Torture in the Middle Ages - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Mo_Gearhead 11-17-2010 01:46 PM

Send them to Missouri. Deer season. No one will think twice about a few gunshots in the woods.

I can envision:

A straight-backed, wooden chair.
Duct tape.
A gag ball.
A shooter with a 22-250 - that needs to test some new re-load/bullet combos.

Ankle - kneecap - (*walk down and throw water in the face to revive ).
Shins- Wrists- (*more water)
Hands - fingers - shoulder - ear (* water...SLAP - SLAP "Now stay with me BOY, this may take some time!")

eventually ...oh, you know the ending (no more water necessary).

....now where did I put those bags of lime?

Tobra 11-17-2010 01:55 PM

I remember when this happened. It was more than 6 people raped her, and there was a crowd watching. It went on for quite some time and nobody did anything at all while it was happening.

I seem to recall they gave her something to drink that had been spiked with date rape drugs, but could be wrong.

These will go to Vallejo or Suisanville I would guess.

ErVikingo 11-17-2010 02:24 PM

How horrible. Those guys do not deserve to live but they don't deserve a quick execution, they deserve a very long and painful one.

They will end up in jail living out of our penny.

Very sad; poor girl will have to live the rest of her life with this memory.

BeyGon 11-17-2010 02:35 PM

It's SanFran, hard to tell what will happen, it will be lighter than what we think they should get.

onlycafe 11-17-2010 02:48 PM

paul kersey. paging paul kersey, you are needed in california.

flatbutt 11-17-2010 03:09 PM

how could people watch this? I suppose if she was drugged she woudn't have struggled so the monsters watching didn't have that to deal with. farkin' monsters!

syncroid 11-17-2010 06:18 PM

Just give me ten minutes or so with a nice Louisville slugger. I promise. I won't kill him...but he will wish I had. Bottom feeding scum like this deserve a horrible payback!

onlycafe 11-17-2010 06:29 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1290047380.jpg

cmccuist 11-17-2010 07:21 PM

We had a similar thing happen here in Houston back in 1993. Two young girls - 14 and 16 - were walking home from a dance, took a shortcut and stumbled on a gang initiation. They were brutally gang raped and then murdered. This happened when I first moved to TX and haunts me to this day.

Needless to say, executions were carried out . This is TX!

Horrific crime

Killers executed for crime

Tobra 11-17-2010 09:41 PM

That was front page news the day I arrived to Houston to start my residency. They found those girls a couple days after I got there.

cmccuist 11-17-2010 09:55 PM

My daughter graduated from UT-Houston. Residency at UTMB. I worked for Bechtel near the Galleria and would sometimes drive by her apartment on my way home from work to check up on her.

Animals don't display the cruelty that humans will sink to at times.

Rick Lee 11-17-2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 5678511)
I actually like Rick Lee's *boil people alive in bacon grease* a lot in terms of depraved torture fantasies.

Thanks. But I have a much better one - the way they killed King Edward II.

"On the night of 11 October while lying on a bed [the king] was suddenly seized and, while a great mattress... weighed him down and suffocated him, a plumber's iron, heated intensely hot, was introduced through a tube into his anus so that it burned the inner portions beyond the intestines. "

Of course, the pigs in Hannibal would be a good way for this scumbag to go too. I still can't get that one out of my head.

LeRoux Strydom 11-17-2010 11:54 PM

There is something horribly wrong and sick in a society where people can stand around and watch other men rape an innocent young girl. The watchers are as guilty as the rapists, IMO. Probably took cellphone videos too, so they can take tips for conducting their own future rape acts.

Sadly this happens in many parts of the world.

I would go out of my mind if this was my daughter. A bullet in the head is too merciful for these sick bastards.

Geronimo '74 11-18-2010 01:22 AM

This is sickening. My stomach turns just reading this horrorstory.

The people that watched and did nothing should have their eyes gouged and fed to them.
Rip out their tongues and rip off their ears.
"I watched and did nothing" tattood on their forehead.

The ones that did the raping, I cannot think of a punishment brutal enough.
I will have to be very painful and long term. They do not deserve to die soon.
Let the father decide.

If he needs some ideas...

http://www.medieval-castles.org/index.php?cat=31
http://readingshouts.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/most-painful-20-torture-devices-in-the-history/


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