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Hidden taxes.... State says I must now register all ATVs
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Just got a letter from our home insurance company stating the state is requiring me to title/register all ATV's and insure them separately. I assume that means if someone is injured on my property while riding one of my ATVs, my homeowner liability insurance will not cover me. (of course the person who injures themselves is never held accountable for their actions anymore which also pisses me off) I am getting pretty fed up with all the hidden taxes that are being levied against us these days. What the hell is going on? This crap is getting ridiculous. :mad: Will it ever end? Did a quick search and found a partial list stating some of the hidden tax we get rammed down our throats..... It just plain sickens me to the core. :mad: Some of the Taxes Americans Pay Each Year If you don't read it all, go to the ending then you may want to. Isn't this amazing? Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax Capital Gains Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Court Fines (indirect taxes) Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel permit tax Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon) Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money) Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Local Income Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Septic Permit Tax Service Charge Taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Taxes (Truckers) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax Road Toll Booth Taxes School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone federal excise tax Telephone federal universal service fee tax Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax Telephone state and local tax Telephone usage charge tax Toll Bridge Taxes Toll Tunnel Taxes Traffic Fines (indirect taxation) Trailer registration tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened? |
We started a couple of pointless wars?
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in california, you have to pay annual property tax on watercraft. so a bassboat gets property tax.
stupid. |
Oklahoma has a "use" tax now. If I buy anything on-line from a company with no presence in Oklahoma I am supposed to pay the equivalent sales tax.
So all the parts I buy from Pelican I am supposed to pay a tax on. Fortunately all my orders only add up to 10 dollars. They have a spot on my income tax form for me to deduct $30.00 per yer to cover all of my internet orders. |
So the insurance company sent you a letter saying (essentially) that you have to send them more money. Did you check with the state and make sure they're not altering the truth? I doubt they would flat out lie to you, but from dealing with insurance companies daily, I've learned not to trust them. Just my $0.02
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If you title and insure your ATV, can you then drive it on public roads?
Unless the state specifically added ATVs to the list of mandatory insured vehicles, tell your insurance company you will not be renewing. Insurance companies are a nice racket with well paid lobbyists who have succeeded in making insurance mandatory. I have 9+ vehicles, and they require me to insure all of them at standard rates, as if I could drive more than one at a time! My wife works in insurance and I've made it plenty clear in my house how much I hate the industry. |
"COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago"
Perhaps a bit of hyperbole. History (from Wikipedia) Main article: Taxation history of the United States Tariffs were the largest source of federal revenue from the 1790s to the eve of World War I, until they were surpassed by income taxes.[citation needed] The first federal statutes imposing the legal obligation to pay a federal income tax were adopted by Congress in 1861 and 1862 to pay for the Civil War. The 1862 law levied a 3% tax on incomes above $800, rising to 5% for incomes above $10,000. Rates were raised in 1864. This income tax was repealed in 1872, but a new income tax statute was enacted as part of the Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act in 1894.[1] The United States Constitution specified Congress could impose a direct tax only if it was apportioned among the states according to each state's census population.[2] In its 1895 decision the Supreme Court held in the case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. that a tax on income from property (a tax on interest, dividends or rent) was a direct tax under the Constitution, and so had to be apportioned. The apportionment requirement made income taxes on property practically impossible, and Congress did not want to limit the income tax solely to a tax on wages. Therefore, in 1909 Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment, which became part of the Constitution in 1913 when it was ratified by the required number of states. The Amendment modified the requirement for apportionment of direct taxes by exempting all income taxes—whether considered direct or indirect—from the apportionment requirement. Still no fun. SmileWavy Les |
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Good point, but I have decided that I simply am not thrilled with the idea of paying the state or insurance company any more of my hard earned money than they already squeeze out of me in registration fees for my PWC, airplanes, cars, trucks, trailers and motorcycles. |
it's for your safety. w/o those taxes who would check to make sure your ATV doesn't have any lead paint. :cool:
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Govt bubble - It's a ratchet effect.
that is, when the economy is really humming, the bureaucrats get a good chunk of change. Then, when the economy slows, the bureaucrats feel that they need to raise taxes to maintain their lifestyle. ...Then, should the economy start humming again, the bureaucrats get even more money, have even bigger expenditures . . . and when the economy slows again, they raise taxes again, to make up your for your production short-falls. ...keeps on ratcheting until revolt. |
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I didn't see flood control tax.
We also pay special assessments for mosquito control, street lighting, sewer bonds, water bonds, highway, high speed rail, and a bunch of others. If you think about it, you pay the employer side of SS tax on every single person involved in making/producing everything that you buy as the end user. For a six pack of beer, that is the farming, seed, fertilizer, water, tractor, fuel, the mining of the bauxite to make the aluminum can,everything. |
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Moral: Buy a bigger boat. |
Instead of all the whining about "unfair" taxes, look at it this way, and yeah I own many ATV's.
In Washington State, my ATV's are titled and registered as an ORV Off Road Vehicle only. Yes there is a yearly tab, and plate on each ORV, no you can't legally be on even forest service roads. Yes the Tab fee goes into the State Level general fund, no it doesn't go to sustain off road activities (my main gripe) So back to your case of getting titles, and insurance. As a titled vehicle, it needs its own insurance, same as your auto, truck, or boat. If your home garage burns down and up in flame goes your toys, as titled vehicles, homeowners doesn't cover them. (typically, unless you have a extra rider policy for them) Same as if the Quads get stolen out of the back of your truck or off a trailer parked when you're in a store shopping or sleeping in a motel, no your auto policy doesn't cover the loss of the quad. Just as if my Truck Camper is broken into while camping and we're off on a hike, my truck policy doesn't cover it........all comes down to each registered titled licensed vehicle needs its own policy. Progressive Insurance Co. has the best ATV rates out there, comp/collision/liability, heck I think it's only $60-70 a year per quad. As far as your home-owners insurance covering someone who gets injured on your property, that's up to your policy. Sounds like it's not the insurance company who you're mad at, but the state (title/registration) who is driving the insurance requirement. Basically, if you want to play, you're going to pay........... |
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If you don't like what you are paying go tell your Leaders to cut the services...reduce the spending. It is like Cable TV if the cost of the service is too high you DISCONTINUE the service. Then no more Cable TV bill. |
This is exactly what Mitt Romney did when he was governor of MA. All fees were raised, new fees were assessed. A lot safer/more cowardly politically than raising taxes.
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Tabs for Surf boards?
Certainly the California surfers should pay to play. ...using all of that wave energy. :cool: and how about a license to operate one? ...not to mention a ten day waiting period to purchase. --those things can kill. |
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I am not dminishing the coward element of it, but here it is a matter of expediency. |
So get rid of the ATVs if it bothers you that much... Simple enough choice.
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Lebanon, Oregon just installed a "stormwater" fee. Yep, in the heart of Oregon's
Willamette Valley, they tax the rain. The best move I made was moving OUT of the city limits some decades ago... |
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After my divorce, NY State told me I had to pay income taxes on my ex-wife's income. I told them I was divcorced - They said it was during the years I was married I told them that she never worked in NY, only MA. And we lived in MA only, so she never lived in NY. They didn't care. Since we paid our FEDERAL income tax jointly, we had to pay tax to NY on everything. I appealed this all the way to the top of the deptartment of Taxation. I had to pay. I think it was $750, but still! |
Agreed, MA isn't all that bad. In fact they've got a few advantages over NH - the most obvious being Proposition 2-1/2 (which limits property tax increases to 2.5%). NH has no such protection and has higher property taxes, but no tax on anything else (actually I think there's an estate tax but I'll have to check).
Most of my reasons for choosing to live in NH deal with their laizez-faire approach to governance, not necessarily the taxes per se. I can pretty much do whatever I want here. Guns? Cars with no smog laws? Sure, no problem. MA is a lot more intrusive with its code of laws and restrictions in general, but that's the nice thing about having different states - each can adopt its own philosophy regarding the extent of government regulation. Me? I choose the state with the motto, "Live Free or Die". And they seem to espouse it too. Something to be said for that. I do kinda' get burned on taxes though - I pay the (higher) NH property tax and then pay the MA income tax since I work in MA on top of it. If I worked in NH I wouldn't get whacked on that, but unfortunately we don't have a presence there. Kalifornia was a MILLION times worse than MA with respect to either taxes and level of government intrusion in peoples' day-to-day lives, number of laws, etc. Compared to NH, it's apples and oranges entirely. It'd be like comparing the wild west to life under the Third Reich. |
There's probably an exception for "farm equipment".
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You mention corporate taxes, but many of the largest corporations (like ExxonMobile, GE, Bank of America) often pay $0.
IOW, the license fee you pay on one ATV will be more than the tax paid by all three of the above corporations, combined. |
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When did Amazon start paying taxes? It was fairly recently. The whole "80% of corporations do not pay taxes" is a bunch of BS, since it means they are losing money. 80% of corporations fail in the first 2 years. Those corporations are not making money. My corp has paid taxes every year. But, this will be the first year we are actually making more than a handful of money. What do you think about GM being given a huge tax break where it will not pay taxes for the next 20 years? |
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it costs them $$ to control the pollution (those oil & grease dripping vehicles for one), so they are passing that onto to you Lane COUNTY is thinking about doing it too -- that's the county, not the cities in the county |
re" corp. taxes: they often get special breaks so they will create jobs, and there are many other loopholes a corp. can use to shelter income - not to say that many are really not making a profit when they have 0 taxes
back to the topic: what state is this? are these driven on public land at all? state, BLM, USFS, etc.? are they driven on public roads at all? |
oh yeh - you also left out the tax or user fee we have had to pay to camp in a federal campground; that started with Reagan, as did most of the "user fee" movement
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Corporations virtually never pay anywhere near 35%, and the examples I put up above paid 0% in 2009. Here is an article on it that indicates part of the answer.
In Pictures: What The 25 Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes - What The 25 Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes - Forbes.com |
It is pretty tough to not pay taxes based on a loophole or shelter, etc. Usually the company is already not making money.
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And those evil Healthcare companies:
18: UnitedHealth Group Sales: $87 billion Pretax income: $5.8 billion Income taxes: $2 billion Tax rate: 34.2% 14: Cardinal Health Sales: $100 billion Pretax income: $1.7 billion Income taxes: $500 million Tax rate: 31.4% |
Oh and the Evil Oil companies:
No. 25: Valero Sales: $68 billion Pretax income: (-$450 million) Income taxes: (-$100 million) Tax rate: N/A A gasoline glut means no profits or taxes for Valero Yeah, losing money = no taxes paid |
Profits were reported overseas in most multinationals on the list reporting losses in the U.S. What an amazing coincidence. Like ExxonMobil, which made $52 billion gross overall and paid $0 US corp. tax.
the point is, I'm not going to shed any tears over US corporate tax rates. Corporations have bought and paid for excellent tax loopholes. |
welcome to the world. yeah those dum-azz kalif morons decided to have an OHV(off highway) tag/tax on every OHV. and next thing ya know it lands in airy-zoney.
so to be legal now. you must get an OHV plate. an OHV registration tag for each and every one of yer toys. FEEK THAT! i have (8) dirtbikes and (1) quad. and they have hired (3) az game and fish OHV cops to stop everyone and ensure compliance. and they have hired (3) BLM cops to stop ALL OHV's and ensure compliance. and they tell me all the MONEY is going into TRAIL IMPROVEMENT! MY AZZZ! i have not seen one trail/ road IMPROVED! all i have seen is more areas closed to OHV's and we are treated like terrorists. basically with budget cuts the drill is..............."we dont have enough LEO's to patrol an area..................SO WE CLOSE IT OFF!" yeah this one hits home and i dont like it one bit. any clown politico who voted for this crap is on my POO LIST NOT TO RE-ELECT! its all a money grab. heres the "made for tv movie" script..................kid/adult out riding middle of BFE boondocks. doesnt have plate or registration. cops show up. throw on cherries. kid adult pulls over. gets FINED $480 bucks 1st offense! or they DITCH THE COP and the swat team is called, the copper chopper ghetto bird and they end up busted for FELONY FLIGHT punishable by 5 YEARS(ask me how i know). or worse if its some trigger happy moron! if they could tax AIR......................they would. |
Just move to Texas, half the rest of the state already has! The sooner you do it, the more money you'll save ;)
Sad read on Cali: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d0a1f426ac9bdc3%2C0 |
Here is how a multinational corporation arranges to pay far less than the statutory US corporate income tax rate.
They set up operations in low tax countries, or countries which will give them large tax breaks. They transfer assets to those foreign operations, in particular intellectual property assets. They set up transfer pricing between their US and foreign operations that favors the foreign operation. Thus the US operation shows very little profit or a loss, and they pay little to no US tax. All the profit is shown at the foreign operation, which only pays a low tax rate. If you would like confirmation of this, consider how many multinationals show $3BN of cash on the balance sheet but almost all of that is overseas. Because that's where the profit was, so that's why the cash piled up there. If they were to bring that cash back to the US, they'd have to pay tax on it. Every decade or so, the business lobby persuades congress to pass a special amnesty allowing foreign cash to be repatriated at a special low tax rate. Usually the argument is that the cash will be used to create US jobs and investment. The last such, in the mid 2000s, actually required the cash to used for US jobs and investment. So it was - and the companies simply didn't use their existing US cash flow for those purposes. Therefore, there was no net increase in spending on US jobs and investment. Cool, huh? We (investors) talk to managements all the time about this. They are proud of their tax strategies, investors want them to do it, we're always asking them isn't there something they can do to pay less tax? Right after we ask them why they can't cut headcount and boost operating profits . . . And right before we talk about accelerating their outsourcing to China . . . People think that what's good for business is good for America. Well, it is for the Americans who own stocks. For the Americans who need jobs, you can take comfort that one thing a CFO will always boast of to investors is how few of the headcounts he is adding are in high-cost regions, i.e. the US, Canada, Western Europe, etc. Everyone congratulates him. I don't blame the companies. Their job is to maximize profits in any manner that is legal, not to care about the greater good of the country. The people's job, via government, is to set up a legal framework so that companies will maximize their profits by doing things that are consistent with the greater good of the country. |
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