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jyl 12-16-2010 10:01 PM

Upgrade A Netbook?
 
Some time ago, I got my daughter a netbook, a HP Mini 110. She doesn't like it that much and I wanted to try and fix / upgrade some things. Wonder if you guys have some thoughts on:

- RAM. It has 1GB, can take 2GB ($35). I imagine that's a good idea, would make it feel a bit snappier?

- SSD. It has a 160GB HDD, I see that a 64GB SSD is $130 or so. What difference will that make? It is a real PITA to upgrade the HDD on a netbook when it doesn't have a DVD drive and I don't have a O/S DVD? Seems I'd need to clone the drive using a backup program?

- O/S upgrade. It has Windows 7 "Starter". I don't want to do a Mac OS hack or install Linux, so probably just leave the O/S alone?

Oh, here is a perennial irritation. It has a weird screen resolution, 1024 x 600. Some dialog boxes are too "tall" for the screen, so that the bottom of the box where the "OK" "Cancel" buttons live, is not visible. There is typically no way to scroll those boxes. Any solution for this?

porsche4life 12-16-2010 10:09 PM

I rarely use my netbook purely b/c of the size. Its hard for me to type on and I have to strain to read the damned thing. I keep it in my schoolbag, purely b/c occasionally I have to check on my school stuff that my iPhone won't pull up.

nota 12-16-2010 10:21 PM

GET A USB2 drive box or e-SATA if it has one for the old HD drive
you can also get a box for a DVD/cd recorder or brDVD with usb 2 or e-SATA out put

the extra 2 vs 1 gig memory should help
as does the SSD

ask your HP c/s rep how to move the W7

I can change screen resolution's in firefox by hiting Ctrl and moving the mouse wheel to get bigger or smaller

Spede 12-17-2010 01:37 AM

You'd be better off buying a cheap 13" laptop. They're really cheap nowadays.

Even if you put close to $200 into this netbook it won't even come close to a real laptop in terms of performance and usability.

jyl 12-17-2010 04:36 AM

The size and battery life is right for her, which is why I'm trying to make this machine better. It fits in her backpack which is way overstuffed, and the battery lasts so long theres no need to carry the brick.

red-beard 12-17-2010 05:14 AM

RAM will help. I've put 2GB in all of our Netbooks.

SSD drive
: This will make starting and loading programs much faster. It will also further improve battery life.

Screen resolution: I would check what it is set to and what is optimum for the machine. There may be a setting wrong on the machine.

Right click in the center of the desktop and select screen resolution
find "advanced settings" and click on it
Most of these netbooks use an intel graphics card. THere look like there are 4 tabs, but the 5th one is the "Intel Graphics Media Accellerator driver for ultra mobile". Click on it.
Click on graphic properties
click on display settings
click on Aspect ratio options
make sure that full screen (no border) is selected (is this the illegal immigrant mode?)

Upgrading to Win 7 Home: Click on the start, then on control panel. Then select system and security. The menu now should have an option near the bottom for "Windows Anytime Upgrade". Make sure you are connected to the internet at the time. I also suggest you use a hardwired connction for the fastest upgrade.

UconnTim97 12-17-2010 05:16 AM

As for the scrolling in a dialog box, I found that the up / down arrow keys work for this on our netbook.

GH85Carrera 12-17-2010 05:34 AM

Our netbook usually gets used by my wife to play some version of Solitaire. I have it loaded with Ubuntu and it has 2 gigs of ram and a SSD. It is OK to use but the video card is not great.

jyl 12-17-2010 06:04 AM

So, how would I go about replacing the HDD with a SSD, given I don't have a Windows O/S DVD and the netbook doesn't have a DVD drive?

I was thinking something like this:
- Buy internal 2.5" SSD drive for $140, and get the cheapest external USB HDD drive (actually I have one laying around)
- Disassemble external drive, remove HDD from the external drive shell, replace with SSD, to get an external USB SSD
- Load Carbon Copy Cloner on the netbook
- Use CCC to clone the netbook's existing HDD including the MBR to the external USB SSD
- Disassemble the external drive shell, remove SSD from the external drive shell
- Physically replace netbook's HDD with the SSD
- The netbook should start up and boot from the SSD, all O/S, apps, settings, data, etc should be and act as if nothing was changed.

Sound right? Is there a simpler way?

red-beard 12-17-2010 06:18 AM

Newegg.com - VANTEC CB-ISATAU2 SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter

This allows you to connect the SSD drive to the Netbook though a USB connector. I think you might be able to find it slightly cheaper on Amazon.

Load/use carbon copy or one of the many drive cloners out these.

I actually have 2 of the adapters and one machine with cloner software. And these days, that is all that machine is good for...

jyl 12-17-2010 06:48 AM

Excellent! Thanks.

jyl 12-17-2010 07:57 AM

Oh, any tips on selecting a SSD?

Looks like Crucial has a 64GB SATA3 SSD with SATA-USB cable for $134. I don't know if that generation of Mini 110 (1034CL) supported SATA3's 6Gb/s, but why not try it.

Or, they have an Intel 40GB SATA2 SSD for $89, but I'd need the SATA-USD adapter for $20, SATA2 is only 3Gb/s, and it is a lower capacity drive with half the read/write speed (that might be the SATA interface).

I dunno, maybe there's not all that much to think about, but any recommendations before I click the "PAY" button?

BTW, it is interesting that I'm about to pay $35 for a 2GB DRAM module and $90-130 for a 64GB NAND SSD - something about that doesn't feel right on a $/GB basis - feels like I am getting bent over for the DRAM?

red-beard 12-17-2010 09:59 AM

Newegg has some 64GB units for ~$99

The ADATA ones have an $89 price after rebate.

I think newegg needs to start paying me for leads...

red-beard 12-17-2010 10:00 AM

OH, and Newegg has pretty good prices on everything...

MysticLlama 12-17-2010 10:23 AM

Might want to take it apart and make sure you get the right size drive. A lot of netbooks use the 1.8"s vs. the 2.5"s.

jyl 12-17-2010 10:41 AM

Thanks, again.

I do like the form factor, battery life, and keyboard of this little machine. It doesn't need anything more than an Atom for its intended use. The current HP Mini 110 with a higher-resolution screen would be nice, as would one of the ION-based machines. But I figure the SSD can be moved from machine to machine.

I'm probably going to upgrade the ancient iMac to a Mac Mini w/ dual monitors, and if the SSD makes enough difference for the netbook, then an SSD might get put in the Mac Mini too.

Still looking for a use for the old G5 iMac. Hate throwing stuff away. If it can drive my (SD) 42" TV, maybe it becomes a TV source for watching online shows (Hulu etc). Not sure if it has the oomph?

red-beard 12-17-2010 11:25 AM

John, my new "Netbook" has 64GB SSD, touchscreen, bluetooth, Wireless G&N, front and rear camera, 2GB ram, a somewhat upgraded CPU (a little better than your Netbook, but not much), and Windows 7 Pro.

$99 Win 7 Pro
2GB Ram $50-60
$100 for 64GB SSD
$100 Touchscreen

Yep, the price for the Slate isn't that bad considering all of the improvements over a Netbook.

jyl 12-17-2010 11:40 AM

Yeah, your Slate sounds pretty nice.

I'm going to see how the tablet market develops over the coming months. I'd like to take a tablet on the road instead of my laptop. Apps and corporate support are the obstacles there.

red-beard 12-17-2010 11:52 AM

It was still pretty steep for a "netbook" but I like it. And with the bluetooth mouse and keyboard it really can function like one.

RWebb 12-17-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 5733343)
...

I think newegg needs to start paying me for leads...

Indeed!

RWebb 12-17-2010 02:57 PM

be sure a new one wouldn't be a better idea - notebooks are almost like an impulse purchase these days

also, it could be a holiday gift - maybe one she can return if she still wants the old one

jyl 12-17-2010 03:14 PM

I did think about that, considering that a new Mini 110 is only about $300. But they still only come w/ 1GB DRAM (I think that's mandated by either INTC or MSFT), and wouldn't have an SSD for that price. I like the HP's keyboard a lot, another reason to stick w/ this one. For her, this machine is (will be) fine.

red-beard 12-17-2010 04:41 PM

FWIW, I just bought one of the Adata 64GB units, along with a different 128GB model.

island911 12-17-2010 05:23 PM

Aspect ratio; many net-books are 1024x768 (native)

If you want her to have a totally kick-ass netbook, go to Sony ...128Gb-SSD, 1600x768 8" screen, all in a form smaller than the HP slate. (Sony P series) it even comes in pink.

red-beard 12-17-2010 07:23 PM

The ACER I have is 1024x600

jyl 12-17-2010 09:02 PM

So is my HP Mini 110. Red-b, do you have the trouble w/ dialog boxes having their bottoms cut off and not accessible or scrollable?

red-beard 12-18-2010 02:48 AM

Not usually. Can you do a screen shot and then post it here?

I have my font size set to a minimum, maximize the real estate...

KFC911 12-18-2010 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5734399)
So is my HP Mini 110. Red-b, do you have the trouble w/ dialog boxes having their bottoms cut off and not accessible or scrollable?

Haven't read all of this thread, but do you have things like "Favorites bar" checked? They consume "real estate" and I occasionally turn them off on some pages depending upon the layout.

jyl 12-20-2010 10:36 PM

Crap. Houseguest tripped over the netbook cord - daughter had left the computer charging with the power cord across a walking area - and the upper left of the screen is broken. Not a big deal, a new screen is $50, but just another chore to take care of.

jyl 12-21-2010 09:53 AM

Interesting. The stock screen is a 1024x600. HP made some minis with the "WXGA HD" screen, 1366x768. Apparently I may be able to upgrade the (doghouse) daughter's mini to that screen, which would solve my screen resolution issue. First I have to disassemble the netbook to identify where the connectors are. Sigh.

stomachmonkey 12-21-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5739000)
Crap. Houseguest tripped over the netbook cord...

That's why I think the MagSafe was one of the coolest innovations Apple has ever come up with.

jyl 12-21-2010 10:19 AM

The only better thing would be some common sense in a 14 y/o girl, grrrr.

Parenting issue: Do I make her pay for the repair part? She's recently accumulated about $500 via baby-sitting, working in the school cafeteria, selling buttons at a recent market, allowance, etc. She's spending about $100 of that, buying XMas presents for her brother and mother. I've decided I'm not going to have her pay, but will have her help w/ doing the netbook display surgery, and the SSD/RAM upgrades.

stomachmonkey 12-21-2010 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5739595)
The only better thing would be some common sense in a 14 y/o girl, grrrr.

Common sense knows no age.

One day the wife has her 15 in TiBook plugged in on the dining room table. I notice it and mention to her it's a bad idea.

30 minutes later we are in the kitchen and the dog starts barking and tears across the house. We hear a ssshhhssss BANG.

Wife says "what the **** was that?"

Well dear that would be the dog catching your power cord as it ran to the window causing your laptop to fly off the table and slam onto the floor.

She lucked out, no damage and the disc that she had been burning finished without fail.

jyl 12-21-2010 10:55 AM

Sounds like it was your fault. Hope you apologized.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5739613)
Common sense knows no age.

One day the wife has her 15 in TiBook plugged in on the dining room table. I notice it and mention to her it's a bad idea.

30 minutes later we are in the kitchen and the dog starts barking and tears across the house. We hear a ssshhhssss BANG.

Wife says "what the **** was that?"

Well dear that would be the dog catching your power cord as it ran to the window causing your laptop to fly off the table and slam onto the floor.

She lucked out, no damage and the disc that she had been burning finished without fail.


MysticLlama 12-21-2010 11:05 AM

Not sure when the magsafe came out, but the original XBOX from years ago had breakaway cables for that very reason. Just sayin' :)

With a busted screen, I think I might just go for a new one. I hate changing those things, and esp if you're gonna change a bunch of other stuff out too.

jyl 12-21-2010 11:56 AM

Naah, I can fix this one's screen for about $60 all-in, and I'd do the RAM/SSD upgrade to a replacement netbook anyway (plus I already bought the RAM/SSD).

Anyway, I hate throwing out stuff, and would like the daughter to realize that (1) someone has to fix the stuff she breaks, and (2) stuff can be fixed rather than thrown away and replaced.

The fix-it projects are kind of piling up, though. On the backlog now:
- Daughter's netbook
- Kitchen sink faucet leak (fixed - $15 in parts and a $11 basin wrench)
- Kitchen garbage disposal/drain jamming/clogging (still haven't gotten up the motivation to get in there)
- OTR microwave door hinge (still figuring that one out, may take some jerry-rigging)
- Two ancient food processors need re-wiring w/ switches
- 911 CV joint (been a total PITA but EASY Porsche appears to have come through with a CV flange not attached to a $150 complete axle assembly)
- MacBook screen and intermittent shutdown
- Dryer vent hose
- Broken floor tile in kitchen
- Sagging plasterboard in study from prior roof leak (this will be a hire-it-out I suspect)
- Treehouse roof leak (temporarily "fixed" with a tarp and some binder clips, how white-trash of me or should I say yellow-trash)
- Vanagon spongy brakes and spoingy shocks
- Son's electric model train not working (big crisis since it traditionally runs around the tree delivering presents on XMas Day)
- Son's R/C helicopter tail rotor busted (by daddy)
- and the list goes on . . .

island911 12-21-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticLlama (Post 5739692)
Not sure when the magsafe came out, but the original XBOX from years ago had breakaway cables for that very reason. Just sayin' :)....

searching . . .

circa 2001 for fryers, apparently. CNN.com - 'Break-away' cord aims to make deep fryers safer - July 4, 2001

...and 2006 for Apple products.

but at least Apple sues people for using 'their invention" . . .even those who buy the cable from Apple, and repurpose it for resale. Must be great to have so many lawyers.

red-beard 12-21-2010 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5739541)
Interesting. The stock screen is a 1024x600. HP made some minis with the "WXGA HD" screen, 1366x768. Apparently I may be able to upgrade the (doghouse) daughter's mini to that screen, which would solve my screen resolution issue. First I have to disassemble the netbook to identify where the connectors are. Sigh.

If you do find a hires screen, let me know. I may upgrade mine as well. The SSD is working well in my desktop. I may put in a 128GB unit in one of my netbooks and a 256GB unit in my laptop.

jyl 12-29-2010 04:43 AM

Update - netbook is all disassembled and broken screen removed. eBay has some vendors with screens that look suitable. LG Philips LG101WH1 TL B3 10.1" WXGA, advertised as 1366x768. I'm going to buy one and see if it fits. One issue is where the connector is located and if the cable will reach. The other issue is if it takes the same 40-pin connector. About $40, so worth trying.

jyl 01-21-2011 05:52 PM

Update - new 1366x768 WXGA screen is installed and working fine. Now I'm trying to download some cloning software so that I can clone the HDD to the SSD and get that swapped out. The SSD came with cloning software on a CD but, of course, the Mini 110 doesn't have an optical drive.


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