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slakjaw 12-21-2010 09:56 AM
Yes he got ot of the car with his piece already out. IMO - He was planning to shoot the man.

slakjaw 12-21-2010 09:57 AM
And a bad shot.

Brando 12-21-2010 10:40 AM
The article says how the local PD had encounters with this guy and other transients in the past. Seeing a disposition towards this person, it can almost be construed as premeditated, especially given the fact the officer came out gun drawn.

I believe the term here is "street judge".

VINMAN 12-21-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5739488)
Honestly that makes it worse.

If this officer had knowledge of the prior encounters then why did he simply not follow and observe the victim while requesting back up?

Why not turn the corner and stop the cruiser in front of the victim so he can confront him with the cruiser between them?

If he had prior knowledge of this specific individuals prior aggressive posture to police then why on earth would he put himself in a compromised situation when he had alternatives.

The victim was walking down the street. He was not engaged in any aggressive or confrontational action with anybody.

There was no immediate perceivable threat to the public.

The guy was obviously the local harmless homeless drunk. Which im sure they have dealt with way more than they are admiting. Love how they say, they kept giving him citations. I'm sure he ran right out and paid all of them...:rolleyes:

Porsche-poor 12-21-2010 10:49 AM
Yep I agree with all of you. The guy was a bad apple and a bad apple with a knife, but that does not mean the cop should have exited the car gun already out. I know of one state trooper who went up the scale on force but had to shoot the guy in the end and did so as a last resort this guy was looking for a reason to shoot............

Tobra 12-21-2010 11:21 AM
Silverwhaletale, I hope you are joking. Bit of gallows humor to say the least, and not really that funny to me.
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Originally Posted by WolfeMacleod (Post 5737995)
Listen to the video very carefully.
After shooting, the lady can be heard asking "What did you do that for? He didn't do anything" - it's a little garbled, but you can make it out pretty easily.
Yup, "Ma'am, he had a knife and refused to drop it." Is much more clear.

Murder, no ifs ands or buts.

If that cop does not go to prison, I will never enter the State of Washington again for the rest of my life.

Hopped out, gun drawn; went from in the car to the man dead on the sidewalk in like 10 seconds. His first instinct was to lie about what happened. I am fairly certain there will be some security cameras, suppose the tape from those must have gotten "lost."

It appears Seattle has some major problems.

flatbutt 12-21-2010 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 5739725)
Murder, no ifs ands or buts.

If that cop does not go to prison, I will never enter the State of Washington again for the rest of my life.

Hopped out, gun drawn; went from in the car to the man dead on the sidewalk in like 10 seconds. His first instinct was to lie about what happened. I am fairly certain there will be some security cameras, suppose the tape from those must have gotten "lost."

It appears Seattle has some major problems.
Well certainly one problem with this specific LEO. If the rap sheet is correct, other officers have shown restraint more than once. This shooter however needs to stand trial.

stomachmonkey 12-21-2010 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 5739734)
....If the rap sheet is correct, other officers have shown restraint more than once....
That other video compilation seems to show the officers in that precinct had a significant familiarity with the victim.

I wonder if the female officer he went off on is the same one that you see in the first part of the video. Young, attractive.

I also wonder what the relationship (actual or desired) between her and the shooter is?

Might splain a lot.

island911 12-21-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 5739725)
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It appears Seattle has some major problems.
Yup.

The type of "leader" which floats to the surface in Seattle, usually does so via political correctness and/or superior liberal righteousness, rather than having any skill at leadership and/or organization. Seattle's mayors generally have a glib attitude about the well being of the city. They seem really like the idea of their title and power for themselves.

Seattle is just another big city full of self-serving politicians. -sad, really. :-/

I do feel for the good cops in Seattle, who have to navigate this cluster...

BlueSkyJaunte 12-21-2010 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche-poor (Post 5739464)
officer Ian Birk pulled over because he says he saw Williams stabbing a knife into piece of wood. "
Won't someone please think of the wood?

rnln 12-21-2010 11:24 PM
Wow, a murderer walking around with legal gun, getting pay for his living from people, and can shoot anyone he wants.

A930Rocket 12-22-2010 02:20 AM
Is there an echo in here? :)

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You guys notice this, 1:04.<br>
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He exits the car with his weapon already drawn.<br>
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Is that SOP?<br>
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<img src="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads18/Screen+shot+2010+12+21+at+11+45+52+AM1292953797.jp g" border="0" alt="">

Eric 951 12-22-2010 08:28 AM
Yeah--real hardened criminal there---open containers and jay-walking in his past.

cop is worng and should be jailed--unfortunately, probably won't be--possibly "suspended" FOP will come out in support of him.

pathetic

stomachmonkey 12-22-2010 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 5740776)
Is there an echo in here? :)
That's why I hate it when I make the last post on a page and it the thread rolls into a new page.

But my post was better, I had pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.SmileWavy

Eric Coffey 12-22-2010 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by silverwhaletail (Post 5739054)
Raise Standards in Hiring.
Better standards in firing needed as well. Way too many cops out there who shouldn't be cops, who lateral from PD to PD because they are allowed to resign quietly as opposed to being fired for their offenses.

widebody911 12-22-2010 11:07 AM
To paraphrase HHGTTG, "Anyone who wants to be a cop should be automatically disqualified."

Hard-Deck 12-22-2010 03:00 PM
It's the precinct on Virginia and 800 block that's doing most of the shenanagins, not the entire Seattle PD. That one precinct is a bad apple


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