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daepp 04-22-2011 09:14 AM

Another Beating at McDonalds
 
LiveLeak.com - Violence in another Mc Donalds almost kills customer

There certainly is evil in this world. Not just the cockroaches that did this but those who failed to help the defenseless.

R K T 04-22-2011 09:25 AM

I feel sick

billh1963 04-22-2011 09:25 AM

This will only get worse as the government runs out of money and the entitlement class goes berserk. If you aren't already in the process of getting your concealed weapons permit you are way behind.

javadog 04-22-2011 09:29 AM

That's what's wrong with this world. Rather than help the poor woman, some idiot is content to shoot video of it on what I assume is a cell phone.

I'm against hitting women but if I'd seen that I would have dropped both of those low lifes in an instant.

JR

porsche4life 04-22-2011 09:30 AM

Why is it always the people of a certain skin color in these videos?


And that schit wouldn't happen out here... Even the blacks keep each other in check...

And you can bet your ass the popo would be there in that several minutes....

porsche4life 04-22-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 5978687)
I'm against hitting women but if I'd seen that I would have dropped both of those low lifes in an instant.

JR

Without hesitation...

Rikao4 04-22-2011 09:51 AM

hope she sues Mickey into the stone age...

Rika

porsche4life 04-22-2011 09:52 AM

Manager and store owner maybe... But WTF could corporate have done about this?

Paul_Heery 04-22-2011 10:00 AM

My, that is disturbing.

Of all the people there, only that one older woman attempted to help. Sad.

Rikao4 04-22-2011 10:07 AM

your right Sid..
I'm not suprised to see everybody just standing around..

Rika

sc_rufctr 04-22-2011 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5978689)
Why is it always the people of a certain skin color in these videos?


And that schit wouldn't happen out here... Even the blacks keep each other in check...

And you can bet your ass the popo would be there in that several minutes....

I was about to ask the same question but as an outsider I don't feel I should.

What could have that girl said or done to deserve such a beating?
I saw no regard for that ladies life. If they had a weapon to kill her I believe they would have used it.

The "men" in that store should be ashamed of themselves.

Burnin' oil 04-22-2011 10:25 AM

It's not a race thing. It's a dumb-ass, low-class, neanderthal, sub-human thing to beat the crap out of someone and/or not to help the victim. I think about that white dad egging on his son to beat the crap out of the other kid.

daepp 04-22-2011 10:45 AM

The white (old) woman was the only one with any balls. Chivalry is dead.

UconnTim97 04-22-2011 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=slakjaw;5978813]
Quote:

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 5978791)
The "men" in that store should be ashamed of themselves.[/QUOTE

There were no men. At least in our sence ofthe word

You are absolutely correct. That was disturbing to watch, to say the least....

M.D. Holloway 04-22-2011 11:21 AM

white = might = right

Paul K 04-22-2011 11:27 AM

Yet another reason why I own firearms...

cgarr 04-22-2011 11:41 AM

So why are they so bitter?

willtel 04-22-2011 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 5978922)
So why are they so bitter?

Weaves too tight?

m21sniper 04-22-2011 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEpperson (Post 5978656)
LiveLeak.com - Violence in another Mc Donalds almost kills customer

There certainly is evil in this world. Not just the cockroaches that did this but those who failed to help the defenseless.

This is why i carry not just a gun, but also a non lethal melee weapon as well.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/cfb905c3.jpg

There is no way i would ever stand there and watch someone get beat to death in front of me (unless they deserved it).

flatbutt 04-22-2011 11:57 AM

I'm not even going to bother watching, I grew up with that crap. Did the perps get caught?

m21sniper 04-22-2011 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5978689)
Why is it always the people of a certain skin color in these videos?

And that schit wouldn't happen out here... Even the blacks keep each other in check...

And you can bet your ass the popo would be there in that several minutes....

Big cities are a whole different world, and it's not always blacks. Latinos and yes, even whites, commit LOTS of crime like this every day in every big city in America.

daepp 04-22-2011 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5978891)
white = might = right

Dude - sorry , but what the hell does that mean? For some reason that pisses me off. Sorry again.

mossguy 04-22-2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5978956)
This is why i carry not just a gun, but also a non lethal melee weapon as well.


What is a/your non-lethal melee weapon?

Thanks.

m21sniper 04-22-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5978692)
(Would have dropped her) Without hesitation...

Just keep in mind the second you hit a "sista" EVERY black in that store is going to jump your white behind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 5978966)
What is a/your non-lethal melee weapon?

Thanks.

It's in the picture.

flatbutt 04-22-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 5978966)
What is a/your non-lethal melee weapon?

Thanks.

I think its called a penis.

pwd72s 04-22-2011 12:13 PM

Too bad the vic didn't have one of these:

Kimber America | Pepperblaster | The most powerful pepper defense system

pwd72s 04-22-2011 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=slakjaw;5979029 Still not a good enough reason to kill someone[/QUOTE]

No kidding?

widgeon13 04-22-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 5978692)
Without hesitation...

My thoughts exactly, that's the only thing they possibly understand.

cantdrv55 04-22-2011 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LubeMaster77 (Post 5978891)
white = might = right

What?!

m21sniper 04-22-2011 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 5978975)
I think its called a penis.

Not exactly.

Nebo LED flashlight with skull crusher bezel:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/a4f66e47.jpg
You can see it just to the left of the pistol in this pic. It doesn't look like much, but the skullcrusher bezel will lay someone out in a heartbeat.
I buy one of these for every girl i date (i should buy stock in the company, seriously).

Jandrews 04-22-2011 06:24 PM

Sniper makes a good point. My reaction, instinctively, would have been to throw both of those attackers violently through that window.

But let's play this out more like it would really unfold. Let's say I am in that McDonald's with my family (wife and two kids), stopping while road traveling in a different state (no carry reciprocity). I see that unfold and jump up and intervene, getting physical with the two attackers. Probably not a big stretch to imagine those attackers being affiliated with "others" who are likely lurking outside. Now, after I have intervened and stopped the immediate threat, what happens when the "affiliates" outside come in to find out who struck out at their "friends"?

I have a 9 year old boy, a 6 year old girl, and a 115 lb. wife. I would be almost completely helpless if charged in retaliation while waiting for police to arrive. I can't even fathom the horror of the potential harm to my family in that scenario.

So, what's the solution:

1) Mind your own business and get the heck out of there?
2) Physically intervene to save the victim's life and hope for the best?
3) Attempt to "talk" them out of it similar to what the old lady did?
4) Illegally carry a firearm and break the law by brandishing and intervening?
5) Illegally carry a firearm and use it only to defend your family and get the heck out of there?
6) Don't go anywhere where you can't carry a firearm?
7) Never leave the house?

That video is disturbing, and I cringe at the thought of finding myself in the middle of an event like that (especially with my family in tow).

Interested in thoughts on response alternatives.

JA

m21sniper 04-22-2011 06:26 PM

All the "It can't happen to me" and "i've never felt a need to arm myself" folks on this forum should watch that video then watch it again and ask themselves, "what if that happened to me?"

It CAN happen to you.

Tobra 04-22-2011 08:57 PM

If it has this "skull crusher" whatzit, seems that "non-lethal" is perhaps not quite accurate.

Never saw the video, they killed it before I got a chance to watch, story of my life. I need to get some pepper spray, that is about the most I expect I could legally carry around here.

m21sniper 04-22-2011 11:05 PM

You could certainly easily kill someone with a skull crusher bezel, but nowhere is it written you have to nail someone as hard as you can in the temple either. ;)

A good wallup to the mouth though, it would knock out several teeth and create a nasty series of deep gashes. I suspect that a good crack in the nose would cause immense non lethal damage as well.

I've pepper sprayed a lot of people over the years, so far it's worked every time, but they say some people are immune to it. No one is immune to getting their teeth knocked out.

I have a skull crusher on my AR as well. Some people get flash hiders on their home defense pistols with integrated skull crushers nowadays too.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/2f8f1fdf.jpg

Again, it doesn't look like much, but the skull crusher on that is made of ordnance grade steel, it's extremely strong, and very sharp.
A skull crusher on a home defense pistol or any defensive long gun is an idea with merit in my opinion.

My AR in a past configuration. I guess the bayonet does make the skull crusher a bit superfluous...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...essmuzzle2.jpg

HHI944 04-22-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5979913)
No one is immune to getting their teeth knocked out.

There are 84 documented cases of CIPA in the US.

m21sniper 04-22-2011 11:15 PM

Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis ?

I'll take my chances that i wont run into one of the 84. Besides, not feeling pain is not the same as not suffering damage.

You ever seen the movie "Kickass"?

HHI944 04-22-2011 11:17 PM

I don't take my chances with much, even CIPA sufferers aren't immune to concussive brain trauma.

Yeah, I'm really tired of seeing Nick Cage doing half ass movies.

m21sniper 04-22-2011 11:18 PM

I LOVED the Hit Girl scenes.

"I solemnly swear to save myself for her!"

HHI944 04-22-2011 11:36 PM

There were some funny parts, I just couldn't get past the pure crap Cage passes of as acting. I wish I could just bash his face in..........say, can I borrow that flashlight??

sc_rufctr 04-23-2011 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burnin' oil (Post 5978802)
It's not a race thing. It's a dumb-ass, low-class, neanderthal, sub-human thing to beat the crap out of someone and/or not to help the victim. I think about that white dad egging on his son to beat the crap out of the other kid.

You're right and I regret my earlier post in this thread. (#11)

It's not about race. It's about the homes and culture these people were raised in.
Had they been raised with mum and dad who taught them right then they wouldn't do stuff like this.
That also goes for the "men" who work in that McDonald's... Who didn't do anything but watch.

Of course these are just general comments. There are plenty of people who have risen above their up bringing and surprised us all.


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