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KevinP73 06-08-2011 12:20 PM

One point!! Failed by ONE point
 
Effin smog nazis failed my truck for being one friggen point over the limit. I just rebuilt the engine, it's running perfect but at 25mph it emits 35 HCs instead of 34. How pissed am I?

cgarr 06-08-2011 12:44 PM

How accurate is their equipment?

stomachmonkey 06-08-2011 12:55 PM

Run the tank as low as you can, add a couple bottles of dry gas then put in only enough premium as needed to get it to the inspection station and run the tests. Idea is to get it to run on as much alcohol as you can.

Friend of mine who owns a shop told me that a bunch of years back when my car failed, worked like a charm.

fingpilot 06-08-2011 12:59 PM

Get a haircut before going in to the test station.

s_morrison57 06-08-2011 01:01 PM

close only counts in hand grenades

sammyg2 06-08-2011 01:05 PM

Regular unleaded gas burns cleaner than premium during smog tests ................

GH85Carrera 06-08-2011 01:57 PM

Would it make you feel better if you failed by several points?

widebody911 06-08-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by s_morrison57 (Post 6068744)
close only counts in hand grenades

& horsehoes

GH85Carrera 06-08-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 6068873)
& horsehoes

and atom bombs.

kach22i 06-08-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 6068751)
Regular unleaded gas burns cleaner than premium during smog tests ................

Really?

Are you sure?

krystar 06-08-2011 02:28 PM

...u still have sniffer emissions?

run some e85 in there.

HardDrive 06-08-2011 03:23 PM

As we speak, a guy in India is throwing a ball of plastic bags on a fire to keep warm. Oh wait, make that 1,000,000 guys.

Tobra 06-08-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 6068881)
and atom bombs.

and government works

if the coil or distributor is a bit tired, you can get elevated HC on the sniffer, seen old plug wires do that too

You could always just pretend you only speak Spanish and don't have any license, insurance or registration, then they would just let you go. What color are your eyes and hair?

juanbenae 06-08-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 6068899)
Really?

Are you sure?

yeah, thats what ive heard. the higher octane takes more heat to burn effective like so easier burn less do-do with lower octane.

bell 06-08-2011 04:44 PM

maybe the problem isn't the truck but the state you live in.........

johnsjmc 06-08-2011 04:44 PM

High HCss can be caused by fuel contaminated engine oil. .A rebuilt engine often lets more fuel past it,s unseated rings and add some fuel to the oil. The PCV system will suck up the fumes and increase unburned HC in the tailpipe. Small amounts can make enough difference to fail . A good long hot highway run will burn off most as will an oil change (smell the dipstick and change the oil if you smell any fuel).
Timing off a couple deg. either way will also affect HC.
If your HC was high caused by timing then your NOx would likely be on the low end of acceptable.

johnsjmc 06-08-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bell (Post 6069184)
maybe the problem isn't the truck but the state you live in.........

Florida should bring back etesting. I have a winter home in Tarpon Springs Fl. Florida has more than it,s fair share of "stinky" old cars.

Tobra 06-08-2011 05:04 PM

It may not pass until after your first oil change if motor is freshly rebuilt

bell 06-08-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 6069192)
Florida should bring back etesting. I have a winter home in Tarpon Springs Fl. Florida has more than it,s fair share of "stinky" old cars.

i have to saw i see a hell of alot LESS smokey/smelly cars in florida than the previous 30 years in ohio.....who has e-check.......what does canada test for?

johnsjmc 06-08-2011 05:23 PM

Ontario tests vehicles on a dyno at idle and 25mph . Sniffs 3 gases HC,Nox and CO Plus gas tank cap seal is verified.Exhaust systems are supposed to be leakfree to be able to be tested. Vehicles are tested every other year . No testing on pre 1988 cars but catalysts and other equipment can,t legally be removed /disabled. A gross polluter (oil burner cloud) can be stopped by the police and ordered off the road until repaired but that seldom happens. There is a $400 repair limit for a failed car.Taxis and commercial are also tested but there is no cap on repair costs.. There are fewer old cars still on the road here than Florida as our cars are subjected to winter road salt.Some norther counties are not tested presumably because of small numbers of cars. More travel by snowmobile you know

mattdavis11 06-08-2011 06:04 PM

2 speed idle test here, some areas (non attainment) put it on the treadmill. One year, the inspection guy noticed I had the front drive shaft out of the Land Cruiser (all wheel drive gone two) and ran it on the treadmill. I lived in Dallas at the time. I laughed that he noticed. It didn't make a difference. Clean bill of health, just the same this year with a TSI test. Nothing has been done to the motor in forever, over 100K, probably closer to 150K. It has 250K, a '91.

They jack with my brother, he has a 95 L/C. He has OBII and OBII tests are required for 96 and up. They fail him off the bat for the CEL. He being an attorney, I told him to look up the statute, print it out and keep it in the car.

Independents do inspections.

wdfifteen 06-08-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bell (Post 6069239)
i have to saw i see a hell of alot LESS smokey/smelly cars in florida than the previous 30 years in ohio.....who has e-check.......what does canada test for?

E-check was never a state-wide program and it has been eliminated in all but seven of the counties it was originally imposed on.

Jim Bremner 06-08-2011 08:58 PM

I've talked to some smog shops for fun and they've told me some tricks that have made cars pass. There's a device on some cars that has a thin film that controls the advancement of the distributor timing. If you defile the strip the car will pass.

Now once the car is " legal" it will get poor gas mileage. Hmm. let's see it's not a gross polluter getting 18 miles to the gallon, but if the car was tuned right it gets 22 miles to the gallon but polluters! I wonder if 34ppm at 18 mpg is less polluting than 37ppm at 22 mpg?

My '67 fastback was excempt from testing put I tested it to learn some stuff.

At idle it was a gross polluter. Once the throttle was opened it was ok and once it was at 25 mph it was way cleaner.

The problem that I have with California's smog law is if it has non approved or missing parts it FAILS.

What if it runs cleaner with those parts? what if it passes sniffing? it doesn't matter.

Por_sha911 06-08-2011 09:02 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1307592135.jpg
missed it by that much

Arizona 911 06-08-2011 09:04 PM

I have a 1972 Chevy truck with a straight 6 and a 1 barrel carb. The first time I took it to emissions , it failed. I turned the idle speed up, turned the mixture screw all the way in and then backed it out 1 turn. I then put 1 gallon of denatured alcohol in the tank with 5 gallons of regular unleaded. Took the truck back for a retest and it passed with flying colors. The tech at the emissions station commented on how low the readings were.

Tobra 06-08-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 6069658)
The problem that I have with California's smog law is if it has non approved or missing parts it FAILS.

What if it runs cleaner with those parts? what if it passes sniffing? it doesn't matter.

This speaks to the motivation behind it.

My buddy sprays a bunch of carb/throttle body cleaner through it and revs the crap out of it while he does so, changes the oil and plugs, takes it in and passes every time. When he was setting up a deal for a guy to buy a house(he's a realtor), but the guy needs to sell a car before he could do the deal. Car would not pass, Brett does his thing, it passes, guy sells car and buys the place. He was joking about going the extra mile to sell a house.

johnsjmc 06-09-2011 04:39 AM

The vast majority of vehicles on the road here pass when tested.As a result the govt. is considering eliminating the dyno equipment test and going to a simple test involving a download from the eng control computer. Older cars with no comp would then become exempt.


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