A SWAT raid? Really?

[Burnin' oil]

If people want to buy raw milk or fresh eggs or whatever, then let them. It is none of the government's business what I eat or where I get it. Buyer beware.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by Burnin' oil

If people want to buy raw milk or fresh eggs or whatever, then let them. It is none of the government's business what I eat or where I get it. Buyer beware.

Thankyou !

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by MRM

Unpasteurized milk and raw eggs can be very dangerous. A year or so ago guy in Minnesota was caught selling raw milk to a health food related network and a bunch of them caught salmonella. A kid or two died, a bunch went to the hospital with very life threatening illnesses.

Raw milk isn't to be played with. It can and does kill people if you don't keep sanitary to the point that you are cleaner than a hospital. Seriously. It needs to be that clean to be safe. Warm milk is the perfect environment for bugs. If you pay attention, you'll hear about people dying from eating uncooked eggs all the time.

So that's why it's illegal to sell raw milk without a permit that proves you've taken all the proper precautions - you're running the risk of killing your customers.

BUT a SWAT raid is more than just silly. A situation like that would have required precisely three people: An Ag official with a badge to come in and tell people that the stuff was being impounded and the people were being charged, and two assistants to log the stuff into evidence and carry it out.

The militarization of our police is bad policy. It is expensive, it damages the credibility of the cops, it harms the legitimacy of our public institutions, and it creates far more danger to the cops and private citizens than it prevents.

An aging hippy with a raw milk farm probably could have been talked into loading his own stuff onto the inspector's trucks and turning himself in, driving everything to the impound lot, if a reasonably educated cop invested a half hour of conversation with the guy and pointed out the basic tenants of civil disobedience and passive resistance. Shove a gun in his face and even a hippie might not be so laid back anymore.

Sorry to disagree with you .But i do.
You will find that in the end ..It was just a price control scam.
You just watch, pretty soon you will not be able to BUY anything freely from a road side stand.
The Govt is here to protect you .....LOL

[MRM]

People died last year in Minnesota buying milk from a farmer like this. There is NO health benefit to drinking unpasturized milk. There is not a single study, or even well thought out theory, that supports that idea. But the risk of drinking unpasurized milk is you or a kid dying.

I grew up on a farm. In Wisconsin. We didn't farm dairy for a living, but we had a few cows we milked from time to time. Darn right we pasturized our own milk. Every neighbor in the valley, every family I went to school with, were dairy farmers. They made their living milking cows. Every single one of them pasturized their own milk before drinking it. My dairy farming relatives, even the ones who lived in Iowa (but are still good people despite that) pasturized their own milk. I have never met a professional farmer, other than city-born hippies who returned to the land, who drank unpasturized milk, even their own. There is NO health benefit to it. The downside risk is death.

Have you ever seen a dairy barn? There's a reason we need to pasturize our milk system.

[afterburn 549]

death from what? Mismanagement ?
You can not get TB from whole milk, Or seminal...These are foreign to it .
All the nutrients are scalded out of milk when treated.

[RWebb]

Is Raw Milk, or Unpasteurized Milk Good or Bad. Health Benefits of Milk. - Health and Medical News You can Use

[Burnin' oil]

I don't care if it's poison. If people want to drink raw milk, or eat cow dung, then let them.

[MRM]

You don't get TB from unpasurized milk, you get Salmonella or worse.

Salmonella Typhimurium Infection Associated with Raw Milk and Cheese Consumption --- Pennsylvania, 2007

Salmonella dublin and Raw Milk Consumption -- California

WA Health - Public Health - Salmonella in raw milk

Salmonella Outbreak Tied to Raw Milk in Texas

Utah Tracks Raw Milk Salmonella to 'Mr. Cheese'

The "raw milk" movement is a scam to convince people to become dependent on the health gurus who peddle such nonsense. You heat milk to about 115 degrees F for about a minute and a half to pasturize it. You want to talk about organic milk, or drug-free milk? I'll agree with you there. but to claim there is any health benefit to routinely drinking raw milk is not just silly. It is dangerous.

[RWebb]

ok, for the legal or policy preference angle here, can govt.s (states - the feds only regulate milk in interstate commerce) regulate sales of milk on the basis that it could cause an epidemic to break out?

in an epidemic, the health of people who did not consume the milk will be affected

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by MRM

You don't get TB from unpasurized milk, you get Salmonella or worse.

Salmonella Typhimurium Infection Associated with Raw Milk and Cheese Consumption --- Pennsylvania, 2007

Salmonella dublin and Raw Milk Consumption -- California

WA Health - Public Health - Salmonella in raw milk

Salmonella Outbreak Tied to Raw Milk in Texas

Utah Tracks Raw Milk Salmonella to 'Mr. Cheese'

The "raw milk" movement is a scam to convince people to become dependent on the health gurus who peddle such nonsense. You heat milk to about 115 degrees F for about a minute and a half to pasturize it. You want to talk about organic milk, or drug-free milk? I'll agree with you there. but to claim there is any health benefit to routinely drinking raw milk is not just silly. It is dangerous.

Just remember who you are quoting ..
Will you be happy when you can not buy a vegy at a road side stand? Thats where they want it to go. Regulate, regulate regulate

[RWebb]

I went out of my way to post a link to an MD, so no one could claim the mean ol' govt. was sucking us all into the maw of Moloch. Did you read his web site?

Or is his being granted a license to practice by a group of MDs who are themselves empowered by the govt. just too much for you?

[lane912]

if the feds find raw milk in my fridge, can they confiscate any firearms that happen to be in the home?

if so- this is phu(ered up!!!!

[> Phoenix <]

Colbert talks about it in this video, pretty funny stuff. This thread is the third time i've heard of something like this happening. I recall a full swat raid on an Amish community for selling raw milk to visitors or something like that.

Rawesome Foods Raid - The Colbert Report - 2010-06-10 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

[thingmon]

Is unpasteurized goat milk ok in a nanny state?

[RWebb]

having a SWAT descend on your grocery shopping with drawn guns and frisk you for raw milk is NOTHING compared to what they are planning

in 2012, the MArines will stage a full scale amphibious assault on breast feeding mothers -- and they will not be using those little SWAT popguns either!

Glubmaster Mike - YOU have been warned! Put the mammary down and move away from her

[john70t]

MRM has a point in that these food products can have serious illnesses associated with them. Proper production, handling, and packaging procedures are usually needed for "raw" foods sold commercially.

Often, these types of food products are sold locally, and the family companies have a reputation to uphold amidst a national stigma of selling a "dangerous food". The environment the cattle live are not swamps of muddy fecal matter, but rather free range farms, and the workers involved have a vested interest in the outcome of their product.


That being said, inspections by the FDA/local authorities could have been performed on any schedule.

This was not done.

Men with guns took everything.

[Dottore]

Strange. Around here, unpasteurized cheese is the best. That's all we buy.

[RWebb]

there is an artisan cheese maker near Seattle who was making her cheeses the French way -- with raw milk

I think they shut her down also

[john70t]

You should watch "Food, Inc" or read "The omnivore's dillema" to read about the conditions in which USA commercial catttle are raised.
It is dreadfull.
No wonder commercial milk and other food products has to be sterilized.

If people really knew what processed crap they were eating they'd look for alternatives.....alternatives that exist, that is.

[john70t]

Infection control is a growing problem, and hospitals are sometimes the primary source.

This is what causes the deadly "super bugs" that no pill will cure:
News: FDA Won’t Act Against Ag Antibiotic Use | Wired Science*| Wired.com