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widebody911 08-03-2011 06:40 PM

A SWAT raid? Really?
 
Why call in the big guns for some hippy selling milk and cheese?

Breaking news: Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese

Moses 08-03-2011 06:45 PM

Because we are living in a nanny state and compliance is everything.

Hawktel 08-03-2011 06:46 PM

Unpasteurized milk and cheese no less.

stomachmonkey 08-03-2011 06:52 PM

Sounds like they think it's a drug front.

RWebb 08-03-2011 08:00 PM

must be some really strong cheese if you can "get off on it"

HardDrive 08-03-2011 09:16 PM

I don't buy it. There was nothing else going on? Come one......

Moses 08-03-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 6175958)
I don't buy it. There was nothing else going on? Come one......

Come on! This is a direct violation of the Dairy Statutes! Can't be tolerated!

john70t 08-04-2011 07:08 AM

It's a crime to pay in cash, and to be "different".
The corporate overseers no-likey this.

Things to note from the artical were no drugs were found, the amount of the money "confiscated" was not released, and no other evidence of wrongdoing was present.

john70t 08-04-2011 07:10 AM

Unsterilized dairy products have been used for many thousands of years.

The human G.I. tract is literally a symbiotic relationship with bacteria. We maintain a large culture within our guts which breaks down ingested food to be absorbed. Without this beneficial bacteria, our digestive tract would literally clog and burst.
This is why dairy products have bacteria artificially added back into the product(after it's sterilized for shelf-life of course).

It's quite possible our hunger instincts are partially driven by a feedback mechanism: our guts tell the brain to eat the foods which the bacteria need.

slakjaw 08-04-2011 07:39 AM

Why is it illegal to sell unpasteurized milk and cheese?

jeffgrant 08-04-2011 07:54 AM

Big dairy conglomerates have lobbied to make it so.

RWebb 08-04-2011 11:26 AM

there actually are some safety issues - w/o that, you rely on the care & expertise of the farmer/milker/cheesemaker

it can work out just fine - Oregon has (or had, may have changed in last year or so) raw milk for example - as does France...

Superman 08-04-2011 11:53 AM

My GF eats a fair bit of yogurt and buttermilk. She lauds the health benefits. She's a health care worker. Anyway, I'm very concerned. She makes her own yogurt and buttermilk out of regular milk. I wonder if the authorities are planning a raid on her property.

Taz's Master 08-04-2011 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman (Post 6177119)
My GF eats a fair bit of yogurt and buttermilk. She lauds the health benefits. She's a health care worker. Anyway, I'm very concerned. She makes her own yogurt and buttermilk out of regular milk. I wonder if the authorities are planning a raid on her property.

We are now.

BBIWY

stomachmonkey 08-04-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 6176532)

It's quite possible our hunger instincts are partially driven by a feedback mechanism: our guts tell the brain to eat the foods which the bacteria need.

Interesting, I often decide what I want to eat based on what my body is "telling" me it needs/craves.

speeder 08-04-2011 12:05 PM

My body is telling me that it needs a hot fudge sundae from Baskin Robbins pretty soon. Or if not "needs", could really appreciate.

john70t 08-04-2011 01:00 PM

Was there a single confirmed illness associated with the company?

With dairy products, "bad" is usually obtuse. Not so much so in meat and pharmacuticals.

Superman 08-04-2011 02:23 PM

My body is telling me to have a cold beer and perhaps a grilled steak.

DanielDudley 08-06-2011 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman (Post 6177119)
My GF eats a fair bit of yogurt and buttermilk. She lauds the health benefits. She's a health care worker. Anyway, I'm very concerned. She makes her own yogurt and buttermilk out of regular milk. I wonder if the authorities are planning a raid on her property.

Just as long as they don't make raids on her panties !


The fact is, that as long as there has been authority, there has been abuse.

If you like your dairy rawesome, write your Senator or Congressman.

No need to PARF it up.

svandamme 08-06-2011 03:42 AM

So no warrent, rights not read? Why not haul his ass off to Gitmo.. Unpasteurized milk? correct me iff i'm wrong, but that's a Biological weapon of Massdestruction , right??

If you see how many turkey had to be recalled, and that was supposed to be free of bacteria.. So this unpasteurized milk must have the capacity to bring the whole country down right? Isn't this how Zombie epedemics start ???

azasadny 08-06-2011 03:55 AM

Meanwhile, the Afghans are growing poppies to process into heroin and we're giving them 120B a month. Makes sense to me...

targa911S 08-06-2011 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 6177143)
Interesting, I often decide what I want to eat based on what my body is "telling" me it needs/craves.

is that why I eat grass? (no NOT THAT grass)

Aurel 08-06-2011 09:07 AM

Unpasteurized is the only way to make good cheese. Been done for hundreds of years in France, and we have the best in the world.

RWebb 08-06-2011 01:02 PM

you realize an Orygun blue cheese stuck it to you guys in a cheese-off last year, right?

kach22i 08-06-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 6175712)

Somebody has it out for this guy.
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James is now being held at the Pacific division police department at Centinela and Culver in Los Angeles. He is being held at $123,000 bail with no possibility of using bail bonds. Law enforcement has demanded that if he comes up with the money to cover bail, he must disclose to them all the sources of that money. (This is an illegal demand!)

Learn more: Breaking news: Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese

svandamme 08-06-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 6180921)
you realize an Orygun blue cheese stuck it to you guys in a cheese-off last year, right?

Still doesn't take away from the fact that the French have great cheese all over the place. You don't have to look hard to find great cheese in France..

Bill Douglas 08-06-2011 01:26 PM

Italy has un-pasturised milk. That's why their cheeses are so good. In NZ we don't as we are one of those careful, careful countrys.

svandamme 08-06-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 6180943)
Somebody has it out for this guy.

If bail is set, i would assume that he has been charged with something.
Yet nothing i read covers that.

svandamme 08-06-2011 01:42 PM

Cops Raid Rawesome Foods; Owner James Stewart Arrested - Los Angeles Restaurants and Dining - Squid Ink

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[Update, 2:36 p.m.: The official word from the DA's office is that Stewart, Palmer & Bloch were arrested on criminal conspiracy charges stemming from the alleged illegal production and sale of unpasteurized goat milk, goat cheese, yogurt and kefir. The arrests are the result of a year-long sting. The 13-count complaint alleges that an undercover agent received goat milk, stored in a cooler in the back of Healthy Family Farms van, in the parking lot of a grocery store. While it's legal to manufacture and sell unpasteurized dairy products in California, licenses and permits are required. Rawesome may have violated regulations by selling raw dairy products to non-members.

Lothar 08-07-2011 10:10 AM

If we had Obama's Hitler Youth already, they could have used this raid as a training exercise. Remember how Obama wants a civilian security force as powerful and well funded as the military? I suppose they could be at the disposal of the Secretary of Agriculture.

This is another fine example of tyranny. I seemed to remember the term, "jack-booted thugs", which comes to mind in situations like this.

Brando 08-07-2011 10:52 AM

It's not just about enforcement, anymore. It's also about a show of force.

svandamme 08-10-2011 11:44 AM

Apparently he was released

UPDATE: LA Health Food Store Owner Released | TakePart - Inspiration to Action

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James Stewart, the owner of the popular health foods store Rawesome foods in Los Angeles has been released on bail, one week after armed officers raided his shop for allegedly conspiring to illegally sell raw dairy products.

According to the LA Weekly, Stewart was released on $30,000 bail and told he could not sell unpasteurized dairy without a license.

Of the two other defendants swept up in the raid, Healthy Family Farms employees Sharon Palmer and Victoria Bloch, only Palmer has yet to be arraigned.

Stewart and his colleagues are accused of failing to fill out the proper paperwork to sell raw daily products in California:

While it's legal to manufacture and sell unpasteurized dairy products in California, licenses and permits are required. The 13-count indictment against Stewart, Palmer and Bloch alleges they sold raw milk and other raw dairy products without the proper permits and health safeguards.

The Raw Milk Three, as they've been dubbed by their supporters, aren't talking to the press because they've been slapped with a gag order by the judge.

Rawesome, which was featured in the documentary Farmageddon, is now the subject of a viral support campaign on the internet. The trio's supporters are being urged to use Tweet with the hashtags #rawesome and #farmageddon. NaturalNews.com has more information on how to show your support for Rawesome and the Raw Milk Three.

TRE Cup 08-10-2011 12:11 PM

On the surface , given facts published, this looks like abuse by the system.
When businesses in the LA County area are found to be violating a law, it is usually handled with an immediate warning or citation. Sometimes the citation may include a cease/desist order (shut down of operations) if there is public health concerns.

In this situation , it looks like none of the preliminary enforcement steps happened

Raw dairy products have been sold for years, and sure the company should have its proper permits.

Seeing how harsh this is going so far for the defendants, makes me wonder what the real story is:confused:

kach22i 08-10-2011 12:15 PM

Quote:

licenses and permits are required
The government want their money, their cut.

Like the mob.

Burnin' oil 08-10-2011 12:17 PM

What the heck kind of world do we live in where it is a crime to sell food? Ass-bites, everyone of 'em.

A930Rocket 08-10-2011 12:26 PM

Geez, the penalty for cutting the cheese has gotten out of hand...

RWebb 12-17-2011 03:21 PM

some related news:

health food store Rawsome in Venice, Cal. which distributes raw milk and room-temperature eggs to to club members was raided by federal agents and local sheriffs deputies

the 64 year old founder, James Stewart was charged with 6 felonies and 7 misdemeanors

in April, FDA agents, US Marshals and a Penn. State Trooper charged Amish dairy farmer Dan Allgyer of Kinzers, Penn. with illegal transport of raw milk across state lines for selling raw milk from his dairy cattle to a small buyer's club in Md.

why is the FDA so interested in raw milk all of a sudden?

is it the extraordinary diseases being spread?

the incredible death rate?

well, there has been no trace of either in the raw milk of these two producers


or maybe it is a guy named Michael Taylor...

Mr. Taylor is a former lobbyist for Monsanto Corp. -- the genetically engineered food corporation -- and he is now the Deputy Commissioner for Foods at the FDA

Mr. Taylor helped Monsanto win FDA approval for its artificial bovine growth hormone in the 1990s

Dairies who did want to use this GMO additive began labeling their milk "rGBH-free" but Mr. Taylor tried to prohibit them from accurately labeling their own products (he failed that time)

Why wasn't the FDA more interested in the 1,600 people who were sickened by the factory-farm egg producers, Hillandale Farms and Wright County Egg Corp.? Those people got Salmonella poisoning, and the factory-farms were found to have numerous health and safety violations, yet there were zero prosecutions, even nearly 2 years later.

futuresoptions 12-17-2011 03:29 PM

These type of stories should make it clear why folks were dancing at the JM and why people were occupying the federal reserve (which isn't a part of the federal Gov't, it's privately owned).

Rot 911 12-17-2011 04:01 PM

They were breaking the law, the should pay. Just like those dancers at the Jefferson Memorial.

aap1966 12-17-2011 04:07 PM

Pasteurisation has greatly reduced the incidence of milk bourne diseases. After WWII, it was so bad that the milk was famously described as "little more than dilute tubercular pus". It's a bit like vaccination. Vaccination has made some diseases such as polio vanishingly rare, so now we have people saying " Why vaccinate? "


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