F-16s intercept pilot, 75, in wood-and-fabric plane

[cgarr]

I like her last statement!


F-16s intercept pilot, 75, in wood-and-fabric plane - US news - msnbc.com

[Seahawk]

Rose needs to check NOTAMS prior to being a hipster. She is cute but stupid.

If she can't manage the basics...

[pwd72s]

That's indeed funny!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

+1. Just "plane" stupid.

I'm glad I'm not the CFI who signed off her last BFR.

[Tim Hancock]

I can easily see how this can happen to someone who flys locally off their own home grass strip in a low slow vfr airplane.

I can say in the 300 or so hours I have put on my wood/fabric ultralight (which has close to the same performance as her cub) I have seldom called in for a briefing. Most flights in this type of airplane are simply for a short jaunt around the patch on a warm summer evening.

Prior to 9/11 even in my certified airplanes, if I were simply flying from my home strip to a friends strip or local county airport 20 miles away, I would rarely do more than a brief check of the forecast. Longer non-local flights get more in depth planning/briefing.

A few weeks ago, had I not heard that Obama was coming to Toledo on the local news, I probably would have had the same thing happen to me as I planned to buzz over to a local county airport to top off my tanks prior to an upcoming cross country flight... Luckily I remembered hearing that Capt Zero was stopping in Toledo, so I checked on-line for TFRs and had to wait until the next day.

All that said, when campaign season starts, I find myself checking TFRs often due to Toledo's recent additional new solar cell companies attracting the politicians.

Pilots who live in heavily populated/restrictive airspace will not understand how this is possible, but us guys who still live outside of cities and mostly fly for fun rarely feel it is necessary to get a full briefing or file a flight plan to drag the taildragger out for a relaxing 10 minute flight around the patch on a warm clear summer evening.

[kach22i]

Another NORAD representative suggested that Rose had no business thinking that a military jet racing toward her had anything to do with the cuteness of her plane.

Well, it is a cute little airplane.

[afterburn 549]

They are going to Biotch about that? When he can fly his dogs to Where ever on a a Special Plane?

[widgeon13]

The girl has a sense of humor:

"Oh dear, maybe I should send him a belated birthday card and say, 'You should have stayed home and Michelle baked you a birthday cake.'"

[KNS]

It's a pain in the azz when the Pres comes into town. If you have a (flying) business at one of the local airports that is covered by the TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction), you're shut down until he's gone. Thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars in lost revenue so the Pres can have his fund raiser or play golf.

[Jim Bremner]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

The girl has a sense of humor:

"Oh dear, maybe I should send him a belated birthday card and say, 'You should have stayed home and Michelle baked you a birthday cake.'"

Re-Read this. It's a very polite statement of " Obama go play with yourself" She's not a ditsy blond

SHAME ON HER

[island911]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

They are going to Biotch about that? When he can fly his dogs to Where ever on a a Special Plane?

+1

The Blue Angels are flying around here for show. ...should we moan about the cost of that?

BTW, why don't those presidential protection jets have flashing Blue Lights and a loud speaker? ...cost too much?

[rsNINESOOPER]

"I thought, 'Oh, well, they're just looking at how cute the Cub is," she said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press.


Uhhhh huh huh, she said "Cub"

looks like the flying cougar got the attention she wanted by having some Cubs fly in for a chat about her airplane. Now she's the talk of the town and will have the Cubs eating out of her hand when she is back at the bar retelling the story while touching knees and giggling. Yikes.

She had a good day-

[gshase]

Check the TFR's when the Super Bowl is going on , No fly zone for 30 miles

[944Larry]

I was flying out of Hope AR back in the 90's when Bill Clintons "Uncle buddy" died. We would land at night when we came in at a Best Western motel I believe it was. We left the day before Bill came in for the funeral. I've often wondered what kind of reception we'd got if I'd whipped into the lot behind the motel and him there. The Jetranger had an Isolair spray system on it and the chemical tanks looked like big bombs. Imagine I'd have been warmly welcomed!

[fred cook]

I did not know that an F16 could fly that slow! I saw a squadron of Cubs at an air show one time that had a 30 knot wind to fly into and they were virtually motionless in the air. I'd bet that the F16 fire system would have a difficult time getting a lock on a Cub. Kind of like the British Fairey Swordfish biplanes that torpedoed the Bismark, the fire director controlled guns on the Bismark could not track the Swordfish because the system was designed to work against (then) modern aircraft!

[slodave]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

They are going to Biotch about that? When he can fly his dogs to Where ever on a a Special Plane?

All presidents get to travel on taxpayer money. Deal with it.

[island911]

Originally Posted by fred cook

... I'd bet that the F16 fire system would have a difficult time getting a lock on a Cub...

I'd bet it could lock on a baseball from 20 miles out. (just a guess)

[Normy]

Welcome to the world of dubya BUSH's Department of Homeland Security.
[oh yeah, I feel more secure!]

Ladies and gentlemen....a 75 year old lady has been SUBDUED!

Of course, the old gal broke about 15 major FAR's. FAR's that I'm sure she knew!

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Though she has a legitimate gripe. TFR's are way too easy to be implemented, and way too difficult enforce!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

This is the most obvious one they're going to nail her with. No excuse for not checking these things in the Age of TFRs. None. If she'd gotten a briefing and gone up and the TFR popped into existence while she was in the air, she might have some recourse. I feel for her, but just saying "well I live in the country" doesn't give one a pass on due diligence as PIC.

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PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart B—Flight Rules
General

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§*91.103***Preflight action.

Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include—

(a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;

(b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the following takeoff and landing distance information:

(1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and

(2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature.

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Yes this is a stupid incident and she obviously represented no great threat, but these are basic and fundamental rules & procedures every student pilot knows before they even solo - or should.

They'll probably try to hit her with 91.13 ("nasty number 13") which is the "catch-all" regulation prohibiting "careless and reckless operation".

I hope like crazy she files an ASRS report and gets a damn good lawyer (and/or is a member of AOPA's legal services plan, but even so I'd be stunned if she got out if this without a certificate action).

Sucks, but that's the state of aviation in this country - rules on top of more rules on top of more rules... And no matter what, it's ALWAYS going to be the PIC's fault. This is one big reason I got out of flying as a profession - It's gotten to the point where the liabilities outweigh the benefits/enjoyments. It certainly outweighed the compensation.

Just one more activity destroyed by too many lawyers and too many well-intentioned bureaucrats who "know what's best for you". Big government at its finest!

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I feel for her, but just saying "well I live in the country" doesn't give one a pass on due diligence as PIC.

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PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart B—Flight Rules
General

Browse Previous*|*Browse Next
§*91.103***Preflight action.

Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include—

(a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;

(b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the following takeoff and landing distance information:

(1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and

(2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature.

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She screwed up and broke the law..... I am not claiming she didn't. My point was that this could happen to lots of folks who own their own planes and fly out of small grass strips on a local evening pleasure flight whether they are very experienced pilots or not.

If you happened to visit me POP and asked for a quick spin in my Pacer while standing in my hangar located in open farm land, I would simply push the Pacer out, check the gas/oil/tires and we would hop in and go fly it around the patch. It would take less than 5 minutes to go from talking about it to being in the air. Unless I had heard on the local news that the prez or vice prez was going to be in Ohio, I am quite sure that a TFR would never cross my mind and because the flight would be local within a 5 mile radius in 10 mile visability/clear skys and returning to my grass strip, we would have all the info we needed (other than the maybe two times a year a TFR is in effect for Toledo).

Once again.... the lady technically screwed up, but I can see how it could happen to an "around the patch" flight from a grass strip.