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Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 02:45 PM

Can you backdate Corvettes?
 
It's fairly common now to backdate an SC/Carrera for an RS look. Similarly, can you take a 75 Corvette Stingray and easily backdate it to the 68-72 chrome bumper cars?

stomachmonkey 09-06-2011 02:52 PM

Oh lord why?

IIRC the 75' was a major POS. Wasn't that the 1st year with cats? 350 with less HP than your lawnmower.

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 02:57 PM

LOL, I'm sure it was, similar to 75-77 2.7s, but 350s are very easy to build up. The cars are dirt cheap these days, mostly a passing interest, there's a local car for next to nothing. I'd love a 68 convertible someday.

masraum 09-06-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239696)
It's fairly common now to backdate an SC/Carrera for an RS look. Similarly, can you take a 75 Corvette Stingray and easily backdate it to the 68-72 chrome bumper cars?

I think that would be difficult. The front and rear ends of the early C3 series were all one piece with the fenders and were hard fiberglass, but the later years (73<, I think) used soft plastic front and rear ends. The earlier cars were much prettier. I think for the '75 year, the more common and easier "upgrade" would be to the front and rear end from the '81 and '82 cars that had the integrated spoilers.

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 6239707)
Oh lord why?

IIRC the 75' was a major POS. Wasn't that the 1st year with cats? 350 with less HP than your lawnmower.

Because in most places the '75 can now be modified due to being too old to be emissions tested, so you can make a '75 scream like a '69, but then you're still left with a relatively ugly 'Vette. You'd want to spruce up the looks too.

'69
http://www.motorera.com/corvette/1960/1969/69red5.jpg

http://100megsfree4.com/corvette/1960/1969/69red1.jpg

'75
http://www.greene-shipman.org/75CorvetteRDS.gif
http://www.motorera.com/corvette/1970/1975/75red2.jpg

'82
http://100megsfree4.com/corvette/198.../82bronze2.jpg
http://100megsfree4.com/corvette/198...ilverblue1.jpg

kaisen 09-06-2011 03:03 PM

Yes, it's easier to update/change the glass than it is to go from a short hood to a long hood 911. Both can be done.

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 03:03 PM

This!


Buckterrier 09-06-2011 03:12 PM

Hey Shaun, on 1 of those shows Saturday morning on SPEED they back dated a C6, (or something), to a split window 67 or so. Actually looked pretty cool.

masraum 09-06-2011 03:16 PM

It's not a bolt on like the '82 bumpers probably would be, you'd have to do a bunch of f/g work (which should be easier than welding). I think you could probably buy a whole new front end from one of the big Corvette houses. That would keep you from having to do much work on the front, but the back would definitely require attaching a new rear end to the rear fenders.

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Red88Carrera 09-06-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239716)
I'd love a 68 convertible someday.

You don't want a '68. The webbing in the front fiberglas was too weak and allowed the front end to sag. They changed it for '69 - '72.

DARISC 09-06-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239696)
It's fairly common now to backdate an SC/Carrera for an RS look. Similarly, can you take a 75 Corvette Stingray and easily backdate it to the 68-72 chrome bumper cars?

Dunno 'bout that, specifically, Shaun, but there's been numerous weird goings-on in the world of Corvette buffs. A quick Google reveals:

Greenwood Car Show | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24592966@N07/5106y240905/

‘Car guys’ mix old and new to create classic Corvette look

Karl Kustom Corvettes look like they're from 1963 and 1967, but they're new underneath the skin - Kansas City automotive | Examiner.com

Bang Shift : : Not BangShift Approved: The Corvette Body Kit to End All Corvette Body Kits

SOMETHING NEW: Karl's Kustom Corvettes pair old with new - WHO

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 03:30 PM

thanks for the links, interesting stuff.

Hi Mark!

DARISC 09-06-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239769)
thanks for the links, interesting stuff.

Hi Mark!

You mean, David? SmileWavy

masraum 09-06-2011 03:41 PM

I saw one of these on the road. I didn't get a REALLY good look, but it looked pretty cool as I drove past.

Apparently it's a 1962-look custom-made body put on a late model C5 car. It looked really, REALLY sweet in person. I half expected to see ZZ-top standing in the middle of the freeway shooting a video. The pictures below don't begin to do the car justice.

Here's the folks that make them.
ProTeam Classic Corvettes 1959 &bull; 262Y

I think this is the one that I actually saw
http://www.corvettetraderonline.com/...ges/2239_1.jpg

http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y2.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y3.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y6.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y16.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y17.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y18.jpg
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/cars/photos/262Y15.jpg

DARISC 09-06-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 6239798)
I saw one of these on the road. I didn't get a REALLY good look, but it looked pretty cool as I drove past...

THAT's the car I was trying to find when I went a'Googlin.

A930Rocket 09-06-2011 03:58 PM

^^^^ I saw a black/silver one of those recently and wasn't impressed. It looked f'ugly to me.

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 6239784)
You mean, David? SmileWavy

No, Mark, but hi to you too David!SmileWavy All in the timing.

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 04:26 PM

I've seen one of these in person. A true abomination. Really, every single line, proportion, dimension, whatever, is just plain wrong.


Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 6239798)
I saw one of these on the road. I didn't get a REALLY good look, but it looked pretty cool as I drove past.


Porsche-O-Phile 09-06-2011 04:35 PM

Dear God why?

*urp*

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

porsche4life 09-06-2011 04:41 PM

Im sure you *can* , but why?

HardDrive 09-06-2011 04:44 PM

Kill it with fire. Fugly. Why lord, why?

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HardDrive 09-06-2011 04:46 PM

btw, I totally understand Shaun's thinking on this one. IMHO, the chrome bumper cars look way nicer that the post 72 models.

johnsjmc 09-06-2011 04:49 PM

The chassis under a 1963 to 1979 is nearly identical so lot' s should be possible. The lines on the back dated C5 above don,t look any worse than some of the tuner 911 slantnose cars over the years.

VincentVega 09-06-2011 04:51 PM

x2, always loved those

I've been tempted by a few early vettes over the years. ls1 w/ a 6 speed and disc brakes in a ~62. That would be fun. Too bad they bring so much $$ now.

The first vette I drove was a 70's w/ a big block and a clutch so stiff I must have stalled it 3-4 times. When it didnt stall I put down some rubber. That was fun.

DARISC 09-06-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239901)
I've seen one of these in person. A true abomination. Really, every single line, proportion, dimension, whatever, is just plain wrong.

In the photos, Looks decent to my eye. But two dimensions can never convey as much info as three dimensions, which is why full scale clays are built up, finished and critiqued in daylight before the industry puts a new design into production.

But, on the other hand, given the advances in 3D computer modeling and photorealistic virtual imaging, I wonder if building clays is still a universal practice.

Did you find what you saw to be an abomination in the general sense? Or just an abomination in terms of how successful you thought it was in capturing the image of the older Vette?

Shaun @ Tru6 09-06-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 6239956)

Did you find what you saw to be an abomination in the general sense? Or just an abomination in terms of how successful you thought it was in capturing the image of the older Vette?

General. this pic says a lot. the very front of the car is at 85% scale to the rear complicated by stretching the entire front 120% over a long wheelbase mated to the oversized, short rear end. So if you took a 73 911, stretched it a foot from the B pillar to the front struts, and put Turbo flares on the back with an impact bumper, it would be the 911 equivalent, sort of. It looks like 3 cars glued together: a diminutive front, growing, long center section, and large rear.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1315358046.jpg

johnsjmc 09-06-2011 05:18 PM

I,ve owned a 1964 Stingray. Solid lifter 327 is a wonderful motor But the car looked way better than it drove. I presently have a 1966 Shelby Mustang clone and it has a solid lifter 289. It sounds great and looks awesome but my 993 is surprising in how fast and civilized it is in comparison. The obvious oddity in the car pictured above is the slope of the windshield. If it were more vertical it would be much closer to the period car and would make the front look longer and the middle shorter

fred cook 09-06-2011 05:34 PM

You can do pretty much..........
 
anything you want if you have the time and money There is a guy here in south Georgia that has a Ford F100 body on an early 70's Corvette chassis. Really nice job, too. I had seen the truck around town a couple of times and didn't notice anything odd until I got behind it in traffic and noticed the independent rear suspension. Different strokes for different folks!

Tervuren 09-06-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 6239997)
The obvious oddity in the car pictured above is the slope of the windshield. If it were more vertical it would be much closer to the period car and would make the front look longer and the middle shorter

I was about to write that. The body looks decent, its not a replica by any means, but its well styled. The windshield though, is much too steeply raked to fit in the retro theme of the rest of the car. One might also want to go with wheels that were less open in spoke design, hiding the more modern brakes better.

DARISC 09-06-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 6239995)

I can't argue with you Shaun. But only because how it strikes one's own eye is purely subjective. Wouldn't want one myself, but to my eye, looks kinda nice.

Lottsa people like late model Porsche's looks. To my eye they look fat 'n' ugly.

Know whumsayin'? :)

fastfredracing 09-06-2011 07:04 PM

Even if you can get a front clip, the install of the whole front section of a corvette is not for the average joe body guy. I have watched my body guy buddy, clip a few vette's, and it is some serious time consuming ,tedious, and fragile work. Takes him quite some time to get everything to fit nice, and is well beyond my skill set, and patience level. I saw him do a 65, and two early 70's cars.
The golden rule will still hold true here, it will always be cheaper to buy someone else's nice car that is finished than to tear in to a project like this.
Early 70's vettes are sweet though, if only they did not drive like shat.

Jared at Pelican Parts 09-06-2011 07:35 PM

For years, there was a lot full of C3 Vettes in various states of disrepair next to Pelican's first location. I don't think you would want one of these cars if you saw how poorly they were constructed.

dienstuhr 09-08-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 6239798)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/puke.gif

What a freakin' abortion. The four-headlight Corvette was the worst looking Vette ever built and THAT is the one that they emulate? Everything about the styling of this car is just wrong.

masraum 09-08-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dienstuhr (Post 6243746)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/puke.gif

What a freakin' abortion. The four-headlight Corvette was the worst looking Vette ever built and THAT is the one that they emulate? Everything about the styling of this car is just wrong.

What, I prefer the '57-'62 vettes (2 and 4 headlight early cars) to the '63 any day.

I think my favs (most to least), '57-'62, '64-'71, C5, '82.

DARISC 09-08-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 6243854)
What, I prefer the '57-'62 vettes (2 and 4 headlight early cars) to the '63 any day.

The red ones are nice. The blue ones are just wrong! :D

cairns 09-08-2011 02:24 PM

I'm with you- mostly. In order I would prefer the 57 then 61/62 and 73 (I really like the combo soft front/chrome rear- esp. with the sidepipes that were available that year).

I also had a 79 and liked it. But I also had an 82 and thought it was ugly- just too overdone.

Those mutations are about as ugly as it gets.

Zeke 09-08-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dienstuhr (Post 6243746)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/puke.gif

What a freakin' abortion. The four-headlight Corvette was the worst looking Vette ever built and THAT is the one that they emulate? Everything about the styling of this car is just wrong.

From your standpoint. In their time they were awesome cars. They have stood the test of time with most.

A fairly popular conversion is a late front and rear frame clip onto a '56 thru '62 chassis and stock body. At least 2 companies are making kits to adapt the clips to the body mounts. Once done, other than the wheels, it's an old looking Vette with some juice and stopping power, not to mention a lot better handling.

teenerted1 09-08-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 6239820)
^^^^ I see a red one of those all the time and wasn't impressed. It looked f'ugly to me.

ditto. the windshild looks like it belongs in your lap

DARISC 09-08-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared at Pelican Parts (Post 6240294)
For years, there was a lot full of C3 Vettes in various states of disrepair next to Pelican's first location. I don't think you would want one of these cars if you saw how poorly they were constructed.

I agree. Prior to the C5, when they finally got it right, Corvette's build quality was poor. I bought a '99, C5, 6 spd hard top, put 78k hard driven miles on it and it stood up extremely well.

lm6y 09-08-2011 03:49 PM

Ted nailed it for me. The rake of the windshield just throws it all WAY off.

johnsjmc 09-08-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milt (Post 6243885)
From your standpoint. In their time they were awesome cars. They have stood the test of time with most.

A fairly popular conversion is a late front and rear frame clip onto a '56 thru '62 chassis and stock body. At least 2 companies are making kits to adapt the clips to the body mounts. Once done, other than the wheels, it's an old looking Vette with some juice and stopping power, not to mention a lot better handling.

The 55 to 62 frames are very springy. I,m surprised that the backdate industry would use 56-62 chassis and isn,t doing it the other way around The 63 to 79 chassis is much preferred in my book
I have had 2 different 64's and my mother used to have a 75. We have also had a 55,79 and 88 in the family. I and many like the midyear 63 to 67 best.


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