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Captain Ahab Jr 10-31-2011 04:38 PM
I have a theory on this, peoples perception of what is the biggest risk is skewed by the fear factor of the scenario of the bad guy coming to get them than any real risk they are being exposed to.

I guess my question is why isn't everyone driving around in a fire proof suit, surrounded by a full roll cage, belted in with a race harness and have a plumbed in fire extingisher switch and battery kill switch to hand while driving to the meet?

Surely the odds of being injured or killed driving to the meet are far higher than being actually shot at when at the meet.

stuartj 10-31-2011 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 6338441)
Yes, I would be armed. I would also arrive before the appointed time and reconnoiter the area. Identify cover and egress routes. From concealment, I would watch the other party arrive. Make sure he comes alone, look for any accomplices. Make him wait as you observe. Look for any sign that he is armed, as well as indications of agitation. If he appears to have come alone and unarmed, proceed with the meeting. I'd be armed with a primary weapon, and a backup. Not sure what you mean by small caliber, at least the primary should be a sufficient defensive round, no less than 9mm Parabellum. Ideally the backup is the same caliber and uses the same magazines. For example, my primary is a Glock 19; a good backup would be a Glock 26. Wear clothing that allows rapid access to your weapons. During the interaction, be careful about body positioning. Don't turn your back on him or let him approach you with the sun at his back. As you are looking over the wheels, walk around so that you are behind him, if he maneuvers to prevent this, that's a clue that he's a threat. Maintain a protective radius, which means keep a minimum distance away from him - I use ten feet. Don't shake hands or pass keys, papers, etc hand to hand. Telling people you have a cold is a good way to keep your distance. Good luck. Next time, use eBay and avoid in-person transactions.
The OP was funny, but this is golden.

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stuartj 10-31-2011 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 6341233)
If you don't want one, don't buy one. Why do you care if I carry one? Why am I delusional for doing so? It affects you in no way whatsoever.
You walking about carrying a gun indeed does affect your fellow citizens. You may shoot someone with it. Ah, you say, only in defence of my life or someone elses.

I dont trust you to make that judgement, I have no idea of the circumstances where you might feel inclined to you use your gun. So now I have to carry a gun to protect me and mine from you and your poor judgement.

red-beard 10-31-2011 06:44 PM
Stu, with your judgement, you shouldn't carry. But in your country, you don't even have the option.

BernieP 10-31-2011 06:55 PM
As I said before I would not shoot over a set of wheels. I also would go out of my way to avoid any and all trouble. Using a fire arm is an absolute last resort to be avoided at all costs. BUT I have a good friend that was walking to his car after leaving a restaurant at 8 PM in a nice area. He was robbed and gave up his wallet and his watch without a struggle. He was beaten so bad he was out of work for 6 months, physical therapy for months, almost died. I guess he shouldn't have gone to dinner.

BernieP

Turbo_pro 10-31-2011 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieP (Post 6343154)
As I said before I would not shoot over a set of wheels. I also would go out of my way to avoid any and all trouble. Using a fire arm is an absolute last resort to be avoided at all costs. BUT I have a good friend that was walking to his car after leaving a restaurant at 8 PM in a nice area. He was robbed and gave up his wallet and his watch without a struggle. He was beaten so bad he was out of work for 6 months, physical therapy for months, almost died. I guess he shouldn't have gone to dinner.

BernieP
What happened to your friend is horrible and yet how much worse would it have been if the mugger took his gun, shot him in the head and proceeded to use that firearm to enhance his criminal activity.
I feel bad for your friend but carrying a gun is no guarantee of safety or survival and generally will escalate a bad situation.

It seems to me that firearms are a great deterrent that requires that the potential assailant be aware that you are packing. No one robs a gun store or a gun show.

BernieP 10-31-2011 07:13 PM
I only posted to answer your previous post that if you comply you will be fine, he complied and almost died. I'm going to do everything I can to avoid but would not hesitate to defend my self.

BernieP

stuartj 10-31-2011 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 6343121)
Stu, with your judgement, you shouldn't carry. But in your country, you don't even have the option.
Nor do we have 30000+ gun deaths per annum.

gshase 10-31-2011 07:58 PM
I would carry, you might get is a situation where you need it. You might need it and then decide not to pull it and the guy pulls a 16 0z. hammer and bashes your skull in but you at least could have had the option to throw out some lead. I have nothing to fear with the sweet love of Jesus and this gun in my pocket. CLINT E.

Joeaksa 10-31-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 6342954)
You walking about carrying a gun indeed does affect your fellow citizens. You may shoot someone with it. Ah, you say, only in defence of my life or someone elses.

I dont trust you to make that judgement, I have no idea of the circumstances where you might feel inclined to you use your gun. So now I have to carry a gun to protect me and mine from you and your poor judgement.
Hate to tell you this but again you are dreaming while posting. You are not allowed to carry a gun in your country, so why post crap like the above?

Sad part is that someone like Rick might just save your life someday. The really sad part is that he could have instead saved someone worth a damm instead. Lets hope that he makes the right decision like I know he will.

Glad this popped up. Knew that there was someone that needed to go in my "ban list" and you posted! Thank God... and Akbar has nothing to do with it.

Joeaksa 10-31-2011 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieP (Post 6343199)
I only posted to answer your previous post that if you comply you will be fine, he complied and almost died. I'm going to do everything I can to avoid but would not hesitate to defend my self.

BernieP
Bernie,

The best defense is a good offense. Sorry to hear about your friend but if he had pulled a weapon and taken the criminal down, not only would he have been safe, all the others that the criminal has attacked since that time period would as well.

Do not be a victim like Akbar above. If they are going to take me, there will be a fight. I might die doing so but so will the criminal if I can get my hands or a weapon on them.

Turbo_pro 10-31-2011 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieP (Post 6343199)
I only posted to answer your previous post that if you comply you will be fine, he complied and almost died. I'm going to do everything I can to avoid but would not hesitate to defend my self.

BernieP
My posts do not speak to compliance, they speak to avoidance.
I was in the jewelry business for a while and the key was not weapon skills but the strategy of avoidance. How can you move the inventory with the least exposure. In six years I never even pulled my weapon.

MMARSH 10-31-2011 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 6343300)
Bernie,

The best defense is a good offense. Sorry to hear about your friend but if he had pulled a weapon and taken the criminal down, not only would he have been safe, all the others that the criminal has attacked since that time period would as well.

Do not be a victim like Akbar above. If they are going to take me, there will be a fight. I might die doing so but so will the criminal if I can get my hands or a weapon on them.

That might have been fine if the guy wasn't armed. But if armed, instead of being beaten, he may have been killed when he reached in the small of his back or inside his jacket to use it. Once the beating began, he needed to know how to use his hands, feet, knees and elbows. Or do you think you can pull a weapon and fire it at someone who already has a gun or knife on you...Good luck with that.

I get the whole not being a victim. But I'm not gonna leave my kids fatherless over my car or wallet. If the opportunity is there and I can **** them up it's on. But just having a gun doesnt mean squat. Curious, can you guys fight, I mean really fight or are you just hoping for your gun to do all the work....

MMARSH 10-31-2011 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 6343300)
Bernie,

The best defense is a good offense. Sorry to hear about your friend but if he had pulled a weapon and taken the criminal down, not only would he have been safe, all the others that the criminal has attacked since that time period would as well.
I put situational awareness above gun possession in my good offense.

Rick Lee 10-31-2011 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 6343412)
But I'm not gonna leave my kids fatherless over my car or wallet.
That's fine if all the bad guy wants is your car or your wallet. Sometimes they just want to kill random strangers. It happens every day in this country. And it certainly happens to cops, often just because they're wearing a uniform. And every time there's some mass shooting somewhere, it only stops when the nutbag runs of out ammo, kills himself or is killed by the cops. It never ends because someone begged for their life or handed him their wallet or reasoned with him.

I think you missed the part of my last post where I said I don't need to carry to the mailbox. I just don't leave home without it. It's a rule and a habit. I'm kind of weird like that, you know like keeping fire extinguishers everywhere, looking for emergency exit signs when walking into a restaurant. I even had more water and gasoline than I needed when riding offroad in the middle of nowhere today. And a spare magazine! If I die of anything other than old age, I want it to be really unavoidable.

JavaBrewer 10-31-2011 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 6343295)
Sad part is that someone like Rick might just save your life someday.
But again those pesky odds overwhelmingly say that will never happen. And RL has already stated that unless he or his wife were in direct fire then his gun is NOT going to clear the holster.

Edit - RL has posted his picture with his sidearm and middle finger relishing the fact that it would upset "weak" minded folks from California. Yes it is disturbing. If I were eating my carne asada burrito and RL saunters in I don't know what the F he is doing or who is is. So yes I take offense. Evolution is a good thing. If you want to carry then do like TX does and make it stealthy.

Rick Lee 10-31-2011 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 6343417)
I put situational awareness above gun possession in my good offense.
I do too.

JavaBrewer 10-31-2011 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 6343421)
If I die of anything other than old age, I want it to be really unavoidable.
BS. If that were true then you would not be riding your MC.

Rick Lee 10-31-2011 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JavaBrewer (Post 6343429)
BS. If that were true then you would not be riding your MC.
I should add "or something I love doing."

MMARSH 10-31-2011 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 6343421)
That's fine if all the bad guy wants is your car or your wallet. Sometimes they just want to kill random strangers. It happens every day in this country. And it certainly happens to cops, often just because they're wearing a uniform. And every time there's some mass shooting somewhere, it only stops when the nutbag runs of out ammo, kills himself or is killed by the cops. It never ends because someone begged for their life or handed him their wallet or reasoned with him.

I hear ya and agree to an extent. My only point is, Just having a gun doesn't automatically stop any of that. If Im pointing a gun at your chest and asking for your wallet, you think you can draw it and pull the trigger before I put 2 in your chest.....Even If I wasn't a hardcore criminal and had just planned on using the gun as a visual threat, you reaching for it might scare me enough to shoot yer ass.
I know you you've posted that when you ride your ATGATT. So how easily can you get to your gun? Is it under your jacket, in your tank bag?

Obviously there are situations where having a gun and being able to use it are an advantage, but just having a gun alone doesn't mean that anything you mentioned above can't happen.

Oh BTW, Ya know what else happens everyday in this country. People are killed riding motorcycles. Are you as proactive about this as you are about personal carry. What kind of formal training have you had. when was the last time you took an advanced riding class, practiced emergency braking and lane change manuevers. The chances of you getting seriously injured or killed on your motorcycle are greater then you getting shot by a random stranger, but I've never seen you post anything about that.


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