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strupgolf 12-13-2011 04:32 PM

I remember the day when there were "TV repair" stores in each town. Now, you just throw it away. Thanks to China, and elsewhere. Then, great products, cost more, last long. Today, cheap products, low price, throw away.

JJ 911SC 12-13-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by juan ruiz (Post 6430531)
... Don't think for a minute that everything made in U.S.A. is really made here. Is a very Sad reality.

Sad it is, especially when you think that China is the biggest owner of US debt...

Never mind learning Spanish, it's time to 学会中文

Two Rivers 12-13-2011 04:55 PM

Was in tractor supply today trying to buy dog treats made in the USA. Out of all the crap on the shelfs the only item I found was cows feet from Texas.
I guess its not to hard sawing cows feet off and cooking them.
Oh well the dogs likes them.

jpachard 12-13-2011 05:38 PM

Great video, thanks for sharing!! This is how we are going to get our pride back, one small step at a time:)

Cheers, James

EarlyPorsche 12-13-2011 06:14 PM

We just need to do our best to buy USA when possible...our manufacturing will come back! I go as far as taking any alternative to China if USA is impossible.

intakexhaust 12-13-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 6430579)
so where is the list?

The ABC News list
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/10/how-to-build-a-made-in-america-home/

Stihl and chainsaws. Where are they made now? (I always thought they were german.) My E.P.A.'d Husqvarna is getting tired and was thinking of going back to the Stihl brand. The ones from the 1990's ran so vibration free, took abuse and could even run on old gas mix.

jim72911t 12-13-2011 07:58 PM

I manage a small manufacturing facility that produces high end consumer products right here in *gasp* California! We have a few competitors who manufacture in the US as well, but most of our competition has their products produced in Taiwan or China.

I'll admit that I work very hard to keep our products made here, and I'm proud of that. I'm also very fortunate to have a boss who insists that his product gets made here as well, despite the fact that he could probably retire today if he outsourced his manufacturing.

In our market, the benefits of keeping our manufacturing in house include the ability to get cutting edge product to market very quickly (sometimes in three months or lass), the ability to keep quality at a very high level, and the ability to implement ECO's almost instantaneously to react to market trends/customer demands.

Granted, nobody is getting rich here, but we are all living comfortably. The opportunity to work for a very vibrant, health minded company that does it's manufacturing in the US is worth quite a few bucks, IMHO. SmileWavy

juan ruiz 12-14-2011 04:04 AM

I almost forgot about this. :D

Chopsticks Carry 'Made in America' Label

Chopsticks Carry 'Made in America' Label | USA | English

Good Move Mr.Jae Lee :rolleyes:

jpachard 12-14-2011 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jim72911t (Post 6431206)
I manage a small manufacturing facility that produces high end consumer products right here in *gasp* California! We have a few competitors who manufacture in the US as well, but most of our competition has their products produced in Taiwan or China.

I'll admit that I work very hard to keep our products made here, and I'm proud of that. I'm also very fortunate to have a boss who insists that his product gets made here as well, despite the fact that he could probably retire today if he outsourced his manufacturing.

In our market, the benefits of keeping our manufacturing in house include the ability to get cutting edge product to market very quickly (sometimes in three months or lass), the ability to keep quality at a very high level, and the ability to implement ECO's almost instantaneously to react to market trends/customer demands.

Granted, nobody is getting rich here, but we are all living comfortably. The opportunity to work for a very vibrant, health minded company that does it's manufacturing in the US is worth quite a few bucks, IMHO. SmileWavy

Care to tell us what you make so we can spread the word and/or support you?

Cheers, James

BeyGon 12-14-2011 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cairns (Post 6430358)
Bashing the Chinese on a Porsche/BMW forum????

My BMW was "made" in America, South Carolina. or at least put together there.

AirKuhl 12-14-2011 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 6431876)
My BMW was "made" in America, South Carolina. or at least put together there.

This brings up an interesting point. Is it "better" to buy a US made product where all the profits go to a foreign company, or a foreign made product where all the profits go to a US company?

BeyGon 12-14-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AirKuhl (Post 6431912)
This brings up an interesting point. Is it "better" to buy a US made product where all the profits go to a foreign company, or a foreign made product where all the profits go to a US company?

In this case the labor is US, the money is spent here by those people working at the plant.
I think my wife's VW was "made" in America.
Products made in a foreign country by an American Company aren't helping, the labor is foreign, that company isn't paying the taxes like it would if still in the US. Of course the stock holders in that company "may" be in the US but who knows. That company is probably GE. Sending tech to China.

red-beard 12-14-2011 09:02 AM

I export products made in the USA.

I am buying a car today. It is made/assembled in the USA.

AirKuhl 12-14-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 6431942)
In this case the labor is US, the money is spent here by those people working at the plant.
I think my wife's VW was "made" in America.
Products made in a foreign country by an American Company aren't helping, the labor is foreign, that company isn't paying the taxes like it would if still in the US. Of course the stock holders in that company "may" be in the US but who knows. That company is probably GE. Sending tech to China.

What's very interesting is that as we send jobs making rubber dog poo to China, Germany sends jobs making X5's to the US. Back when we made rubber dog poo here, BMW would never have made 2002tii's here.

Effectively, we are becoming the "China" for the more complicated products coming out of Europe. So are we really circling the economic drain, or are we just in a painful transitional period?

dennis in se pa 12-14-2011 09:24 AM

"This brings up an interesting point. Is it "better" to buy a US made product where all the profits go to a foreign company, or a foreign made product where all the profits go to a US company?"

If the product is made here it creates jobs. That's the important part.

If there were a balance, as has been mentioned earlier, we would not have a problem. But there is such an imbalance towards the cash flowing to China it has to be checked. They get our cash. They get our jobs. When they get their "One World" setup and are in the controlling position it will be too late.

BeyGon 12-14-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AirKuhl (Post 6431978)
What's very interesting is that as we send jobs making rubber dog poo to China, Germany sends jobs making X5's to the US. Back when we made rubber dog poo here, BMW would never have made 2002tii's here.

Effectively, we are becoming the "China" for the more complicated products coming out of Europe. So are we really circling the economic drain, or are we just in a painful transitional period?

I think it works for the companies like Toyota and such, build the cars here, they still make a good profit, their parts are made in Japan? Germany? and sent here, I am sure their mark up is good showing less profit on the final build for taxes in the US.
Still, they buy the property here, build the factory, hire American labor, pay the fees, it's better than GE building anything in China and sending it back here. Some retailers make money but they would make money selling American products, nothing good about people like GE.
Maybe we could bring some manufacturing back from Canada.

Racerbvd 12-14-2011 09:53 AM

Most if the frame & forks for my BMX bikes are made in the USA, on the rare occasions I carry a knife (and only for general purposes, not protection, I carry a BenchMade,

AirKuhl 12-14-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dennis in se pa (Post 6431999)
"This brings up an interesting point. Is it "better" to buy a US made product where all the profits go to a foreign company, or a foreign made product where all the profits go to a US company?"

If the product is made here it creates jobs. That's the important part.

If there were a balance, as has been mentioned earlier, we would not have a problem. But there is such an imbalance towards the cash flowing to China it has to be checked. They get our cash. They get our jobs. When they get their "One World" setup and are in the controlling position it will be too late.

But that's way oversimplified. I'm an exec at a US based engineering company. We employ several thousand people here in the US, almost all of them engineers with high salaries, stock options, etc. We only do design and engineering work. All mfg is outsourced to companies based in Taiwan and China. The reason is that despite all these "made in the USA" discussions, no one really cares where our products are made. Even if they did, there are VERY few companies here in the US that are even capable of making our products, and basically none at the volumes we require. But that aside, if we did, our products would be ~30% more expensive and we would be a FAR smaller company (assuming we survived at all) and thus we would definitely employ thousands fewer highly paid people here in the US.

Believe me, I would love to see Americans making real things. And as a successful company we love profits. If there was a real market for "Made in the USA" then we would be all over it. But the thing about modern manufacturing is that it's not really all that labor intensive. It's very highly automated and there just aren't that many humans walking around screwing things together. Those days are long gone. If you want to be paranoid about China, worry about the amount of our debt they carry, that's the real issue.

jpachard 12-14-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AirKuhl (Post 6432066)
But that's way oversimplified. I'm an exec at a US based engineering company. We employ several thousand people here in the US, almost all of them engineers with high salaries, stock options, etc. We only do design and engineering work. All mfg is outsourced to companies based in Taiwan and China. The reason is that despite all these "made in the USA" discussions, no one really cares where our products are made. Even if they did, there are VERY few companies here in the US that are even capable of making our products, and basically none at the volumes we require. But that aside, if we did, our products would be ~30% more expensive and we would be a FAR smaller company (assuming we survived at all) and thus we would definitely employ thousands fewer highly paid people here in the US.

Believe me, I would love to see Americans making real things. And as a successful company we love profits. If there was a real market for "Made in the USA" then we would be all over it. But the thing about modern manufacturing is that it's not really all that labor intensive. It's very highly automated and there just aren't that many humans walking around screwing things together. Those days are long gone. If you want to be paranoid about China, worry about the amount of our debt they carry, that's the real issue.


Yes, I too work for an engineering company but we make some our some things here and in Europe. The risk of blatant IP theft, low quality and shady business practices keep us from making things elsewhere.

Every company I have worked for has had some kind of IP theft done by off shoring manufacturing to China. One of the CAD packages we use has 90% of their piracy issues stemming from China, and that's just the beginning.

M.D. Holloway 12-14-2011 10:15 AM

We ship to China but would never build a plant there. We do have a world class analytical lab there. They (we) are able to break competitor products down to sub-atomic scale and tell you every little thing about it!

We ship a bunch of stuff to Asia. The cost they pay is stupid high but they pay, and pay, and pay...


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