Not sure that's true. What about the 400,000 Foxconn people in Shenzen screwing Apple products together? Doesn't sound very highly automated to me.

Last time I checked the only company that manufactures a U.S. actual "tennis shoe" is New Balance. Pretty good shoe and no more expensive. I was amazed. Tim

The plant where I work makes about 4 1/2 million gallons of "made in USA" products every day but the California gubmint passed their version of cap and trade, and if implemented it will shut us down forever because we also make C02. That stuff that makes your soda pop fizz.

That way, India can make those products for us instead.


So if you really like this country, and really support made in the USA, show it at the ballet box and send as message to the union and enviro-wacko supporters.

It took me 10 seconds to find snap-on manufacturing plants in China, canada, england, and mexico. I also found snap-on plant closings in Kenosha and one in Mount Carmel, Ill, killing 560 jobs.

Then I searched craftsman tools, and another 10 seconds (less time than it took for you to ask the question and argue about it) came up with this:

Absolutely! The unions are all for sending jobs overseas! :rolleyes:

Their actions do exactly that.
By driving up wages, benefits and reducing productivity until they can no longer compete, they price themselves out of the market and drive jobs overseas.

And if you can't admit that you are either very dishonest or mentally challenged. Or both.

Come-along I got at Home Depot a couple of days ago

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1324232708.jpg

Foxconn is one of the largest companies in the world, they actually have over a million employees. They manufacture products for hundreds of companies not just Apple. They also have factories all over the world including the US. BTW, they are Taiwanese not Chinese.

As to whether they are highly automated or not, clearly they are taking advantage of current Chinese views on what constitutes a living wage and good working conditions. That means that throwing sweatshop style bodies at the problem is still acceptable over there, although it's changing pretty quickly as China continues to develop a middle class and become more world-aware. The Foxconn factories in Europe for example are far less labor intensive.

So reducing wages and benefits across the board is good for America? I think you have been misinformed. Union or not the US is never going to compete with the Indias, Chinas, and Bangla Desh(es) of the world in wages unless we adopt their standards of living. Which is where we are headed unless or Gov steps in to protect our way of life. I see no signs of that happening.

Classic Christophorus?
 

[QUOTE=intakexhaust;6433415]Just tonight I started to sort, unload some junk magazines and need to unclutter the garage. Well not really all are junk... classic Christophorus, many vintage Hot Rod, etc. but funny, I came across a Time issue of Dec. 12, 1955 almost to the date 56 years. Out of curiosity, I flip through a few pages to look at the old scotch, bourbon and car ads but then I see this:


Intake - I noticed your mention of having found some classic Christophorus. Anything you'd be willing to sell? Which ones did you find?

Look what unions are doing to states like CA, look what they did to detroit, yes, unions, along with taxes are doing a big part of forcing jobs overseas..
Cable TV & the internet are luxuries, people who create debt by not living with-in their means shouldn't force the wages for simple jobs because they can't/won't live within their budget.. Why shouldn't a person have to earn a raise, work their way up instead of being paid $50 an hour to push a button??

Prime example of the mentality that is destroying this country??
» Welfare Ain’t What It Used To Be

It is more complex than any of us understand. Unions are a problem - yes. To a point. Asian people being paid 100-200 a month as factory workers and they live like our dogs - well maybe that is a problem too. I don't buy products made in China. It takes some effort and time to do so, but this is my version of "OWS". Sooner or later we will achieve a balance. I remember Moody Blues (Question of Balance) telling me that was what we should be working towards. I thought it was the truth then. I believe it is the truth now.

Yes, Too too READ LABELS CLOSELY!! and while it may be hard to buy PRODUCTS made in the States, you can always buy SERVICES, a Gift Cert. for a Hair Cut, a local restaurant, hand made crafts, lots of ways to spend money on USA made for Christmas & Hanukkah, even if only Roses grown locally or local Wine & Honey..

Byron. It's not unions that are hurting California. It is the corrupt politicians. Do you think it is the unions that turn their heads while millions of illegals cross the border? No, it is the corrupt politicians. Is it the unions that give these illegals rights to services that cost the state millions, if not billions, of dollars? No, it is the corrupt politicians. The examples go on and on.
The unions have been used as scapegoats by these corrupt politicians, and the people that pad their pockets, paying people like the Jim Byrd in your link (wasn't he dragged to death behind a pickup truck?), Rush Limbaugh, et al, to further their propaganda that turns the American people against each other with silly partisan bickering while they are busy picking all of our pockets.

The welfare queen is not the one destroying our country. It is the politicians.

Jesus Christ. $300-$500 for sweaters. That's a lot. I'd love to buy high quality American or western-made sweaters, but that's pushing it!

Can anybody recommend some other good quality American/western-made clothing lines? That aren't $500 an item.

Sorry, look at what the Gov. employee unions are doing across the country (including my home town) you are wrong, very wrong. You are correct the politicians are destroying this country, but allowing welfare queens like that to corrupt the system, the politicians are using it to buy their votes, much the same way public service unions buy politicians..


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/business/22union.html?pagewanted=all


Public Employees Unions Are Sinking California and the Nation - Big Journalism

Surely you can see that the group funding the corrupt politicians who vote on salaries and benefits aren't going to vote in the best interest of the people, only the people who voted them in..

So, yes, I stand by my statement as it has pushed a lot of former USA from Cali out of the country..

Byron, if you think the rank and file worker or the welfare queen is to blame for the state of things, you have been deceived. It's a very sad indication that the power brokers have been successful in their PR campaign to pit American citizens against each other.

The problem is everyone lumps ALL Unions in to the same bucket. Some are good, some are bad.

Two data points:

One of my friends was in the UAW in Detroit, here retired and when he did he was appaled at how they treated the Auto business and the fact that they did not want to train any apprentices because they felt that by doing so they would take jobs away??? WTF?!?

Second friend worked for a Union for Boeing, he got a great apprenticeship, continuing training through his Union etc.

Guess which of these two companies is flourishing? Boeing.

The Auto Industry also has done many other things besides labor to drive more nails in to it's coffin.

Also, for all who constantly say we can't compete while still paying our labor force decent wages is not looking at the problem properly. Germany manages just fine, they pay their people well, give them great benefits AND are the second largest exporter in the world to China. How is this possible? They have a government with their priorities straight which supports manufacturing and industry and a high set of ethics and standards in the banking industry which we sorely lack.

I quit caring about buying stuff that was made in America in the early 80's as I began driving. UAW built cars were crap compared to the Japanese/German stuff. Many years later my wife talked me into buying a new Dodge Dakota 4x4. Well that aweful experience along with working at a company that required me to visit UAW plants really cemented my anti UAW sentiment. If a day ever comes when ALL unions are dismantled in this country, I will consider "caring" about where products are made..... until that time, I will buy whatever is the most cost effective period consequences be damned.