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motion 01-12-2012 11:35 AM

Even if I were lucky enough to see something unexplainable, I think I'd keep it to myself.

Seahawk 01-12-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 6489590)
Even if I were lucky enough to see something unexplainable, I think I'd keep it to myself.

I did.

rcooled 01-12-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bt1211 (Post 6489162)
1. If another life-form came this far, why would it not make contact?.

2. I think that the people that think they saw something, probably did see something.

Think for a minute about the relatively recent exploration of our own planet by European sailors. They didn't spend months at sea to just drop in, have a look-see at the "New World" and then never return. No...they returned again and again to exploit whatever resources they found and made no effort to hide themselves from the locals. In fact, many of these voyages were undertaken for just that purpose. I would tend to think that an extraterrestrial civilization might have the same motivations. Hard to imagine some ETs just joy-riding around the galaxy and stumbling on places like Earth by accident. If they're investing the time and effort to come here, it's for a specific purpose...and we would certainly know about it.

A friend who is an astronomer thinks of it this way: Our understanding of the universe is so incredibly limited in it's scope, that to attribute every strange light in the sky to an alien spacecraft is kind of foolish. The cosmos, both near & far, is filled with unimaginable natural phenomena that we will never fully understand.

GH85Carrera 01-12-2012 01:06 PM

The difference in the early days of exploration is there is limited land on earth. Humans have pretty much laid claim to anyplace possible. The number of worlds in the universe is unknown but basically infinite. Earth has nothing unique to the galaxy except humans.

If aliens are looking for any natural resource there are trillions of other planets.

ninelevenick 01-12-2012 03:48 PM

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The difference in the early days of exploration is there is limited land on earth. Humans have pretty much laid claim to anyplace possible. The number of worlds in the universe is unknown but basically infinite.
Indeed. The human race running amuck in space is a frightening concept. I wonder if the aliens are privy to our imperialistic nature.

NAVY Space Command Uncovered, page 1

Brian in VA 01-12-2012 06:07 PM

What really blows my mind is the stuff the string physics boys are writing....this is just 1 of unlimited "projections" of the universe and so if you believe their math another exact copy of this one with an exact copy of you exists in one. Obviously I don't understand it, but google it if you want to get another headache and question your importance.

genrex 01-12-2012 06:24 PM

Not projections.... dimensions. Last I heard, M Theory says there are 10+ major dimensions, with possibly many "subdimensions" within the major dimensions. Not sure if our laws of physics apply in those dimensions. If not, travelling over interstellar distances might not be a problem...

No multiple copies of Selma Hayak.... sorry. :)

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trekkor 01-12-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J P Stein (Post 6489091)
Come on, Trek, I would like to keep the God Squad out of this.


I don't follow.

Did I post something that you had a problem with or was it the fact that I posted in general?



KT

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J P Stein 01-13-2012 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 6490586)
I don't follow.

Did I post something that you had a problem with or was it the fact that I posted in general?



KT

Sorry Trek, I didn't mean to be rude but was, in retrospect.
It was a somewhat crude attempt to keep this thread out of PARF.....there be monsters there.

ramonesfreak 01-13-2012 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by J P Stein (Post 6488938)
I made no reference to any supreme being involved. I'm talking physics, chemistry, statistics, and whatever else it takes. If the question is too hard, say so don't lay any "anti God" BS on me.

if your referring to me, that was not my intention. i believe in god. what i dont understand is why so many people (people in general, not pointing finger at anyone in this thread) are willing to believe in the unprovable yet not willing to believe that its "possible" that other life exists in the universe. i believe in the possibility of both. anything is possible

whether any life forms have visiting this planet, i have no idea. perhaps. perhaps not

trekkor 01-13-2012 06:56 AM

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there be monsters there.
true statement. :)


KT

Jim Richards 01-13-2012 06:57 AM

Aren't you one of them, Trek? ;)

ronster 01-13-2012 07:00 AM

Yes I do believe humans are unique and alone in the universe. Is there some other type of life form out there, probably but I doubt it has developed along the same lines as us. Quantity does not always mean quality.

J P Stein 01-13-2012 08:22 AM

As I understand it, science is pushing out the boundaries of the universe on a regular basis. The Hubble telescope is their latest look into the past and moved the boundary out a couple billion light years....thus ageing the universe a couple billion years. That is as far as they can detect light (or emissions).....for now......but what is beyond that?

If one assumes that the universe is infinite then the possibilities are infinite and thus extraterrestrial life is a certainty.......which is back to the start of this thread.

Unfortunately some sects of religion insist on God making the universe in 7, 24 hour days.....a literal interpretation as stuck in the past as any Mullah in Iran. But, if God is infinite what is the length of a day to Him (It?)? PARF raises it's head, eh?

The Big Bang seems like a good a theory as any, but what did "the singularity" consist of, where did it come from, and what caused it to release it's material/energy. I don't have any idea but I try to keep an open mind.

Flieger 01-13-2012 08:28 AM

It was Stewie Griffin.

KFC911 01-13-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by J P Stein (Post 6491458)
As I understand it, science is pushing out the boundaries of the universe on a regular basis. The Hubble telescope is their latest look into the past and moved the boundary out a couple billion light years....

I love this stuff from an amateur's perspective. Actually, Hubble is "old"...the newer infrared scopes (Spitzer) see through stuff that even Hubble can't, and both are simply opening up new worlds that were inconceivable just a few years ago. Billions of stars in the Milky Way, billions of galaxies like the MW...yet we're "special" :).

sjf911 01-13-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6491478)
I love this stuff from an amateur's perspective. Actually, Hubble is "old"...the newer infrared scopes (Spitzer) see through stuff that even Hubble can't, and both are simply opening up new worlds that were inconceivable just a few years ago. Billions of stars in the Milky Way, billions of galaxies like the MW...yet we're "special" :).

It has been less than 100 years that we have even known the existence of galaxies beyond our own so the progress to date is staggering.

KFC911 01-13-2012 08:49 AM

Yep, and not that many since we were able to agree that the earth wasn't flat :)

Flieger 01-13-2012 08:53 AM

Weren't the ancient Greeks the first to discover the earth was round? They even got the radius pretty close for the tools they had at the time.


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