update - what is value of 1972 2002 tii?
 

I am tasked with liquadating an estate that contains a 1972 BMW 2002 tii. The odo says 36501. I don't know if that's right, but the interior is perfect and seems to reflect that mileage. It is slightly modified. It has fiberglass hood and trunk, and there are duzu fasteners used to hold the hold down. I have not opened the hood to see if the fuel injection is still there. It has some old school Recaro seats which are perfect, and some very old school lap belts. I do not know if the motor or suspension has been modified. It has sat since 1992, but the owner's lady friend reports that was excercised once around the block at least 10x a year. Its an interesting car, but I know jack about BMW's. I would give the interior a 9.9/10 and the exterior and 8/10. The paint does have a few nicks, and there is a bit of bubbly behind the left wheel well.

The car is at my office in Michigan, near Ann Arbor.

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Also, the crome and glass are 10/10, and I have the original wheel and the factory manauls.

Shouldn't a 72 have round tail lights?
Fun cars, I would like to have one.

I just checked the title. It is a 1972. The VIN is 2760241

I was just reading a 2002 site that said this:

"1974 introduced some major body changes. The most noticeable are the rear tail lights and bumpers. The "roundtails" are gone and in place are the square tail lights. High impact bumpers were added to meet U.S. federal regulations. The interiors are upgraded with completely new upholstery and simulated wood is added to the gauges. The front grills are now black plastic. The turn signal lever is moved to the left of the steering column, where older models have it on the right hand side."

This car has square tailights and plastic grills, but it does not have high impact bumpers, the turn signals are on the right side of the wheel, and there is no fake wood anywhere to be seen.

This car is an enigma. The square tailights are very curious. But it is a 1972, this site verifies that this VIN is a tii and it is a 1971-1972. Vehicle Pre-Purchase | The Tii Register

I wonder if somebody updated the taillights?

Is there any indication of a rear-end accident? Maybe the inside of the trunk has welding where it shouldn't be?

I think the car was rear-ended at some time 1974 or later, and the owner decided to replace the "low visibility" stock tailllights with the "better visibility" bigger taillights on the later models, to try to prevent future accidents.

Either that, or the owner was a bit safety-conscious...

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On the front end, I don't think the plastic grills/kidney will fit on an early model (or vice versa). The upper belt-line aluminum strip is missing as well.

Looks really clean though from the pictures.

I agree with some of the others that this car looks like a mix of body parts. Tail lights were round until '73, I think, and on the early cars the grills were not black, wheels are from, I think maybe, a first-gen 320i - what's that, an E9, maybe? Also the chrome strips around the belt line have been removed. Would be interesting to know what's under the hood, and whether a 5-speed has been transplanted in.

A couple of good sites for checking these cars out - if you haven't already found them, are 2002 AD and BMW 2002 FAQ.

From what I can tell, the prices on these things can be all over the map. It's possible to find them for SC or even Carrera kinds of money. I think that's ambitious, but that's just me. Good luck with it. They're cool little cars, but nowhere nearly as well engineered, or as solid, as our P-cars.

The VIN may be a '72 but it sure doesn't look like a '72. It's definitely had body work as the beltline trim and side markers have been deleted and the tail panel is from a later car. Does the nose panel have an opening for a snorkel? It would be on the passenger side of the nose panel. If it does, the nose has been replaced as the Tii's didn't have this piece from the factory.

Some engine bay shots would be nice.

lets put a big azzd WING on it and RACE IT!

need a picture of engine

I'll give ya $100 for it. Cash.

Agreed. Nothing about that car says it's a 1972 2002tii

Here's a correct 1972 BMW 2002 tii:

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motor
 

Here's the motor. Its injected, eh? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1328289622.jpg
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I agree, that thing says accident damage or boyracer owner. An original tii might be worth 10K to 15K easy, but that one might be quite a bit less, say 7K ish

Shoot, I'll do $105 shipped!

Well, the fellow who owned it and loved it made the changes. He has passed now of cancer, so we cannot ask him. I am told that it was not accident damaged, but he just liked the newer lights. Another thing about this guy is that he had a lot of $$. When I say a lot, I mean a lot. His family owned several Michigan dealerships and I don't think he would be involved in a salvage car. He would just scrap it and move on. For context, perhaps we can all remember another time when Porsche owners were "updating" longhoods to impact bumper cars. This car is really pretty clean. Do you think I would be crazy to ask $10k for it?

ask the $10k

sounds like you have a fiduciary responsibility to the estate if not a moral/ethical one to the deceased

try to find the records - sounds like a guy who would have compiled them

any rust that can be seen?

It looks to me like a Verona Red tii that's been modified more than a little bit. I've never seen anybody put '74-76 taillights or front grille on a roundie, but I'd be inclined to do it, as I think they look better. Not a big fan of those 320i wheels; lots of people put different seats in these. As far as fiberglass hood and trunk lid, I don't know if that a good mod or perhaps a way to get rid of rusty parts. If there's bubbles like you say, then IMO the car's got the cancer, and most of them do. I see the separate clock in the dash, which is the mark of a tii. Also lack of carb. Those bumpers look good on the car. Not sure if the flush front turn signals were standard on 1972s, but they weren't in '74-76. The rear side markers are gone, all signs of someone who was personalizing the car to their taste. I would agree with you that the guy had money and did what he wanted to the car. I think the odds are well against that car having 36,000 miles on it.

You'd probably be much better off taking it to a local 2002 specialist, assuming there is one. The value in the car is going to be how strong it is mechanically, how well sorted, and how rust free. It could easily be worth more than $10K, but with some bubbling in the paint, probably not much more. A buyer is going to want to know a lot more about what is actually there and the history before stepping up. How does the car run???

Interesting. Thanks.

LOVE THIS CAR!!!!

On my bucket list to own and drive one.

Here's a nice one on eBay if it helps....BIN at $25K! ;)

BMW : 2002 BMW : 2002 | eBay

Owned a green Tii many years ago and loved that car. So fun and was an odd duck around the beast American cars of the era. Those are 74 tail lamps and first thought the car might be a euro spec with those bumpers but you stated the title is 1972. The last year of the roundies were 73. With the other mods, the lamps and rear panel were probably changed. I couldn't place a value on this stuff anymore. Good luck and thanks for sharing.