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Scott Douglas 02-06-2012 03:34 PM

Interesting engine
 
This looks interesting...

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Comments?

Bob Kontak 02-06-2012 04:06 PM

This is a step-change increase in the term "interference engine".

Pretty cool.

Flieger 02-06-2012 04:09 PM

I don't see that working- the pistons coming out of the cylinder and then staying perfectly co-axial until they mate again. The gear backlash and such would require cylinder walll clearance that could not be taken up with a piston ring, since you need a ring compressor to get a piston+rings into a cylinder. The large clearance then means low efficiency due to blowby. Then there is lots of wingage losses unless you have a big pump to evacuate the crankcase, in which case that pump creates parasitic losses.

Piston engines are not perfect but they sure are a great compromise in many ways. The OPOC engine seems like a better idea to me. Rotaries had advantages and disadvantages. Same for turbines.

Bob Kontak 02-06-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 6541406)
and then staying perfectly co-axial until they mate again.

Not only that, they have to stay lined up!

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Flieger 02-06-2012 04:21 PM

I remember watching Gilligan's Island on TV Land in the evenings. That was back when I was in grade school. Good times. I always preferred Mary-Anne to Ginger. :)

Bob Kontak 02-06-2012 04:51 PM

Ginger had some game if you pulled her off the G.I set. Mary Anne otherwise.

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Scott Douglas 02-06-2012 05:21 PM

Did you bother to look at the videos?
They have a working propane powered engine running in one of them.

HardDrive 02-06-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 6541611)
Did you bother to look at the videos?
They have a working propane powered engine running in one of them.

Your right, it is interesting. But the fact that they can make a propane model run does not mean its an efficient way of burning anything. It doesn't seem to pass the Occams sniff test.

Bob Kontak 02-06-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 6541611)
Did you bother to look at the videos?

I did. Button #5. Right after the video of the hand cranked version. I did not review the entire website so I do not understand why it is super efficient and I do not understand in every day terms what the application(s) are.

They say it is good for a diesel engine because of it's super long stroke.

Your thoughts?

RWebb 02-06-2012 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 6541661)
the Occams sniff test.

uh oh - now we're into Slasher movies...

Flieger 02-06-2012 09:25 PM

I still think it would have a lot of losses from blow by, and windage. It also has a lot of parts moving, maybe more than a piston engine of comparable power/efficiency. How are they initiating spark?

slodave 02-06-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 6541949)
I still think it would have a lot of losses from blow by, and windage. It also has a lot of parts moving, maybe more than a piston engine of comparable power/efficiency. How are they initiating spark?

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petrolhead611 02-07-2012 05:49 AM

Oh my goodness, imagine any of that lot getting the slightest bit out of synchronicity: i hope the casing is strong enough to contain the flying components!!!

wdfifteen 02-07-2012 07:10 AM

It IS interesting. It apparently works, though I'm skeptical of announcements like these that are long on marketing for public consumption. I have to wonder why they're promoting to the public instead of to some manufacturer. Some of the claims are a little sketchy too. I it really non-reciprocating? Both the pistons and the cylinders seem to be changing direction once every revolution.

Flieger 02-07-2012 01:52 PM

I believe it is not technically reciprocating since they move in a circle rather than a straight line.

red-beard 02-07-2012 02:46 PM

I expect the DOE will buy this. Wow, there are some really "interesting" engineers "out there".

Flieger 02-07-2012 02:56 PM

I think OPOC, HCCI, Diesotto, etc. are better paths to take. If you want efficiency go high bypass gas turbine.


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