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yellowperil 11-19-2012 04:50 AM

Agreat race and finally an interviewer with real chops. Those hats were great too.
Andretti was gracious in praising these three world champions and NOT including himself among them when he mentioned the podium celebrations held three world champs, him being the fourth. For sure this track is a keeper unless Eccelstone vetos it somehow, in favour of more money somewhere else, he's done it before.

JJ 911SC 11-19-2012 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 7100372)
... For sure this track is a keeper unless Eccelstone vetos it somehow, in favour of more money somewhere else, he's done it before.

Like he did to Montreal in 2009 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rikao4 11-19-2012 06:26 AM

had a blast !
Lady and I logged 50K steps according to her clicker :eek:
she // we had a wonderful time...

& she applauds Lowriders courage to wear those shorts..:D
we also met his longtime friend Jeff...
simply a great wkend...


Rika

Joeaksa 11-19-2012 06:46 AM

Funny thing about the race that no one has mentioned is in all the video did anyone see ANY klag on the track? Not one bit and you usually see loads of it after the race ends.

Sure wish that they had some soft tires instead of the hard versions that they were given.

BRPORSCHE 11-19-2012 06:59 AM

Anybody have a youtube account and want to upload a video for me?

Neilk 11-19-2012 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 7100536)
Funny thing about the race that no one has mentioned is in all the video did anyone see ANY klag on the track? Not one bit and you usually see loads of it after the race ends.

Sure wish that they had some soft tires instead of the hard versions that they were given.

Yes, and top secret F1 documents will show that the whole field save HRT should have been disqualified for being underweight by 3lbs.

Went to the race. First day we sat in the grandstands off turn 15. Great seats. Then for Sat and Sun, we were upgraded to a suite off of Turn 1. It' was high up so you had an amazing view of Start/Finish, turn 1 complex, Turns 18, 19 and 20.

I was surprised by the passing opportunities on the track. I think I will try to make in an annual event.

COTA did a hell of job with the track. They may have to review the concessions though. The lines were insane during Friday's practice. I can't imagine how bad they were on Saturday and Sunday.

herr_oberst 11-19-2012 12:09 PM

One thing I noticed in practice and quali (thanks to speed for giving us all 4 sessions for once) is how Will kept talking about how new the tires looked after a few laps.

I honestly expected someone who is notoriously easy on tires like Button or Perez to do almost the whole race distance on one set, then duck in on the 52nd or 53rd lap to satisfy the regulations. I was kinda surprised when the top runners started coming in on lap 18.

Either way, it was a great race. As much as I dislike hambone, he really did run Vettel down in fine fashion. Fun to watch, and my hat is off to him for a bit of terrific racecraft.

(Did any of you fellers who went to the race go up in that tower? Man, that is a lot of stairs going up and down!)

turn9 11-19-2012 12:13 PM

Looks like the Texas tax payers are at risk of getting taken by close to 1/4 billion dollars...

From the comments section on the article:

Richard Viktorin 2 weeks ago

Thank you Christopher Helman and Forbes editors for this story.

In late December 2010, Audits in the Public Interest opened a case file on Formula One and the incentives it was seeking from the State of Texas. In the ensuing months, our investigation disclosed that Texas Comptroller Susan Combs had padded the economic impact study prepared by her agency for Formula One.

The cumulative errors and exaggerations and flawed application of state tax law – by the Texas’s chief revenue and tax compliance officer no less – were put in full public view during presentations before the Austin City Council in June 2011. Consequently, Austin declined to fund its $40,000,000 share of the incentive (essentially a smaller match of the state’s quarter billion dollar deal with Hellmund and Ecclestone).

Our investigation also uncovered a certification letter in which Comptroller Combs promised to pay Bernie Ecclestone and Formula One $25 million a year for ten for a tidy total sum of one quarter of a billion dollars. The ten year certification was contrary to law.

As a plaintiff in the lawsuit to stop Comptroller Combs from making illegal payment, we were pleased she chose not to make the first advance payment thereby tapping the brakes on the incentive until the race was over and attendance and economic benefit were more certain.

We persist in our belief that Comptroller Combs was breaking the law and betraying her office and the taxpayers of Texas to which she swore an oath. The law is clear that the incentive is based on the increase in economic activity from the race. Austin’s Leisure and Hospitality sector, in the fall, was already 90% utilized before Formula One. None-the-less, the Comptroller’s calculation and payment to F1 assume zero utilization in Austin’s lodging industry before F1. This effects a direct diversion, without benefit to the Texas economy, of over $200 million in state general revenue into the coffers of Formula One . Formula One does not deserve an incentive which is based on economic activity which existed before its entry into the local market.

Looking at the deal more broadly, and though buried in finance layers and complex corporate structure, we strongly believe Comptroller Combs has chosen to deliver a quarter of a billion dollars to build Epstein McCombs Investors a special purpose sports and entertainment facility. Moreover, the combination of facts and cumulative circumstances leads us to believe the subject payments are crony pork dressed up as economic incentives.

Richard Viktorin
Audits in the Public Interest
Austin, Texas


T9

URY914 11-19-2012 12:29 PM

^^ It's Bush's fault....

Cannonball996 11-19-2012 12:35 PM

I had a blast! The city gave it just the right amount of attention, fan fest was great, all the locals were very helpful and polite. over all it was the best grand prix weekend I have been to (others being Indy and Canada), yet quite a bit more expensive then the others, but I still feel I got my moneys worth.

BRPORSCHE 11-19-2012 01:01 PM

Turn9,

I really don't feel like talking about this but it needs to be said.

There are some HUGE treehuggers in Austin. They don't think like me, they don't think like a hardcore F1 fan, and they certainly don't think like a 'Formula 1 percenter.' These people do not understand the elitist F1 mentality, and they don't want to.

They don't want to come to terms with what this race means for Austin on an international stage. They want to keep Austin, pristine, uncrowded, and small time. Normal people recognize what this means for Austin and are absolutely excited about it.

I sat in the grandstands and watch literally helicopter after helicopter shuttle the wealthy back and forth. I drove past the airport and saw more private jets then I have ever seen. I saw wealth in excess that is tough to even comprehend.

I also saw excitement. Lot's of it. I saw smiles everywhere I went. Not just from race fans, or employees of COTA, but I saw smiles on workers downtown that realized this is HUGE. Yes, I saw grumpy old people at restaurants that don't want change. That just don't understand and don't want to give it a chance.

Well ya know what? F1 is here. And it's here to stay. The economic impact from this event will be on the high side of the estimate and I am sick and tired of reading comments on editorials from grumpy treehuggers that just don't understand.

/rant.:mad:

Neilk 11-19-2012 01:10 PM

I think Austin will get their money back or close to it. With regular hotel rooms getting 3X if not more of their typical asking price, I can see the tax revenue going up quite a bit.

My 2 friends from out of state were really impressed with how Austin has grown and think it will help drive more people to Austin now that they know how cool of a city it is.

lowyder993s 11-19-2012 01:26 PM

That was a flippin blast! Took my brother who'd never seen F-1 and our racing teammate as well as my hs friend. Had GREAT seats RIGHT above the flag station in 12. Was able to flip off my friend who was in the support paddock across the track ;)
ALOT of guys brought their girls and those that did (Rikao4) you've got something special. Mrs. Rikoa was a nut! Mine is just not into it. Got to meet everyone except Jason...dunno why just didn't seem like there was enough time. The downtown was awesome and had some chick grinding her chichi's into my arm when I was showing her my youtube race videos (surreal). Got to hang w/ Legion (Chris) and his bud. That was cool and alll the pelicans are EXZACTLY as appear w/their keystrokes.
I'll post some pix later that my friend got...he had the whammy setup and got a bunch of the Prelli cup since we race w/ a few of those guys.
PCA is supposed to have a club race there. If they do, i'm going!!!

David 11-19-2012 01:54 PM

I thought it was incredible!!!!

After seeing the debacle that was F1 in Dallas in 1984 as a 16yo teen who loved F1, I thought it was pure fantasy when I heard a few years ago they were going to give it another try. Well sometimes fantasy does turn into reality. I expected the worst and was more than pleasantly surprised.

Well done Austin, well done!

lowyder993s 11-19-2012 01:58 PM

Too bad we didn't hang out more David...my partner Jeff was there in Dallas too...you 2 could have chewed the fat awhile.

strupgolf 11-19-2012 02:26 PM

I never thought the race would happen, given the early pitfalls they went through. That said, I thought it was a great race, the best this year for passing and for the track itself. But I agree with some who said Austin and the taxpayers are on the hook for $250 million. I saw the excitement and the crowds for this race, just the same way I saw the excitement and crowds for the F1 race in Indianapolis. I went to all those races and the crowds went down each year, until Bernie said enough, we'll take our show somewhere else. He can do this. He's the same as all the NFL owners when it comes to control over their cities, either pay up of I'll leave town. The difference with this race and the Indy race was it was not the taxpayers out of any money, but Tony George and family. Their pockets are deep and endless. I hope this race continues and makes money. But as the broadcasters said, they need to keep the cost of tickets down to draw a fan base. Consider this: the Red Bull team won the constructers chanpionship, which is worth upwards of $100 million dollars at the awards banquet. 100 big ones. This is big business, really big. Plus the course needs a few more trees.

turn9 11-19-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRPORSCHE (Post 7101370)
Turn9,

I really don't feel like talking about this but it needs to be said.

There are some HUGE treehuggers in Austin. They don't think like me, they don't think like a hardcore F1 fan, and they certainly don't think like a 'Formula 1 percenter.' These people do not understand the elitist F1 mentality, and they don't want to.

They don't want to come to terms with what this race means for Austin on an international stage. They want to keep Austin, pristine, uncrowded, and small time. Normal people recognize what this means for Austin and are absolutely excited about it.

I sat in the grandstands and watch literally helicopter after helicopter shuttle the wealthy back and forth. I drove past the airport and saw more private jets then I have ever seen. I saw wealth in excess that is tough to even comprehend.

I also saw excitement. Lot's of it. I saw smiles everywhere I went. Not just from race fans, or employees of COTA, but I saw smiles on workers downtown that realized this is HUGE. Yes, I saw grumpy old people at restaurants that don't want change. That just don't understand and don't want to give it a chance.

Well ya know what? F1 is here. And it's here to stay. The economic impact from this event will be on the high side of the estimate and I am sick and tired of reading comments on editorials from grumpy treehuggers that just don't understand.

/rant.:mad:


h
Hey BRP,


Thanks for posting, it offers an angle that may not be known to people outside Austin.

I'm a longtime F1 fan, the kind that has been getting up at O'darksomething for30+ years to see the races live, and continue to do so. In fact, I had tickets and lodging all set up for this race, but I had to cancel at the last minute.

I'm happy F1 is back in the USA, and hope to be there for the next race, but what I find galling is that Joe Taxpayer may end up subsidizing Bernie and cronies.

As Strupgolf wrote, this is similar to what NFL owners do to get cities to fund their stadiums and take hundreds of millions in profit out of city coffers. Al Davis, anyone?.

BTW, the same Susan Combs, Comptroller of the State of Texas, was the one on the stage giving Vettel his trophy.....


T9

jyl 11-20-2012 01:04 PM

F1 economic tally could take months to add up | www.statesman.com

"By the numbers
$483 million - pre-race projected economic impact
117, 429 — people who attended the race"

So, did each person attending the race put $4,113 into the Austin economy via lodging, food, drink, services, etc?

Rikao4 11-20-2012 01:23 PM

a small water 7 bucks..
liter was 12...
bad burger 12...
parking pass close to the track..3 days 300 bucks..all were full..
Tshirts started at 30..lines were silly (got mine on-line)
Fan-vision sold out......9000 units (previous record was 4000)..
Fan-fest down-town was packed all 3 days..
local kid with his dad's golf cart was charging 10 bucks a head..
for a 5 minute ride to the lots..he had folks waiting..
lots of $$$ changed hands..

Rika

JJ 911SC 11-20-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikao4 (Post 7103654)
a small water 7 bucks..
liter was 12...
bad burger 12...
parking pass close to the track..3 days 300 bucks..all were full..
Tshirts started at 30..lines were silly (got mine on-line)
Fan-vision sold out......9000 units (previous record was 4000)..
Fan-fest down-town was packed all 3 days..
local kid with his dad's golf cart was charging 10 bucks a head..
for a 5 minute ride to the lots..he had folks waiting..
lots of $$$ changed hands..

Rika

Viva Capitalista :):D:)


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