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masraum 03-10-2012 01:34 PM

New Cayman based retro 904
 
You want: Porsche P/904 Carrera - BBC Top Gear

Quote:

It's called the Porsche P/904 Carrera, and it is the latest in an army of classic bodystyles hiding modern machinery.

Texas-based Tuner Gullwing America has announced this as its latest project; an ambitious build harking back to the glory days of 1960s endurance racing, and one of the prettiest Porsche models ever built.
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porsche4life 03-10-2012 01:35 PM

Whats a kidney worth these days?


WANT!!!!

rouxroux 03-10-2012 01:48 PM

I'd much rather have a Beck 904

redstrosekNic 03-10-2012 01:53 PM

"I just had a crisis" :D

sammyg2 03-10-2012 02:43 PM

I fail to see how it has anything at all to do with either Ferrari or a fiero.

Quote:

According to Gullwing-America, the prototype will be built upon the 2005 – 2011 Porsche Boxster platform, complete with modern hardware. The P/904 Carrera will be powered by the same 3.4-liter boxer engine producing 295-hp mated to a six-speed manual transmission. Power steering and ABS from the Boxster will also remain.

Interior wise, the P/904 Carrera will be offered complete with all the necessary modern conveniences including air conditioning, as well as an instrument panel and center console with GPS navigation and iPod dock. Rather than carrying over the Boxster’s dashboard to fit into the new P/904 package, Gullwing-America put the effort to recreate a more period-correct interior to match the retro exterior. Unique seats and steering wheel are also installed.

Finally, the exterior sports LED lights, a lowered ride height, classic 18-inch Fuch design 5-spoke wheels that fill each wheel well, as well as a retractable active rear spoiler.

The conversion is estimated to cost 70,000 euros, not including the donor Porsche Boxster.

masraum 03-10-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 6614620)
I fail to see how it has anything at all to do with either Ferrari or a fiero.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. It's going to be a 300hp 3.4L boxster which means that it'll be fairly speedy. It's not going to be GT2 fast, but it'll be respectably fast. It'll stop, go and turn with the best of them. It's going to have a Porsche flat 6 engine.

When I think Fiero/Ferrari, I think looks of a Ferrari with crap performance.

Heel n Toe 03-10-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeinhere (Post 6614535)
I'm not digging the long area in front of the headlight nor the tail.

Whatever is said about it, it's paying tribute to the awesomeness of the original, and I like that.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331423954.jpg

tc-sacto 03-10-2012 03:03 PM

Lines just don't look right. reminds me of some of the bad 914 conversions of the past. It'll have the numbers, but looks...Well some people like the pontiac aztec too.

Heel n Toe 03-10-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tc-sacto (Post 6614662)
Lines just don't look right. reminds me of some of the bad 914 conversions of the past. It'll have the numbers, but looks...Well some people like the pontiac aztec too.

Well, keep in mind those pix are merely CGI... it is likely that the final product won't look like that. It certainly won't be that low unless they don't plan to make a streetable car.

onlycafe 03-10-2012 03:08 PM

wheels are way too big.

Mark Henry 03-10-2012 03:14 PM

If I could afford it I like the fact you could drive the crap out of it and not worry about wrecking a real 904.
Then again I'm getting older and one day my 914 will be almost to low to get into...

I parked beside a 550 kit at a show and I'd be really worried about a soccer mom in a SUV running me over.

lgb240 03-11-2012 01:02 AM

better looking than the donor car

DonDavis 03-11-2012 06:38 AM

The article said it's Boxster based. I don't want to get into a Cayman-Boxster debate, but those are 2 very different cars. The pics look like it came from a Boxster. I can't see cutting the Cayman roof to make it look like the 904. Wouldn't it be easier the start with a Boxster and add the roof?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc-sacto (Post 6614662)
Lines just don't look right. reminds me of some of the bad 914 conversions of the past.

I can see that.

Mark Henry 03-11-2012 06:48 AM

Isn't a Boxster huge compared to a 904? Are the wheel bases the same?

turn9 03-11-2012 07:37 AM

Maybe you'd like...
 
this:


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331480022.jpg

BeyGon 03-11-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DonDavis (Post 6615648)
The article said it's Boxster based. I don't want to get into a Cayman-Boxster debate, but those are 2 very different cars. The pics look like it came from a Boxster. I can't see cutting the Cayman roof to make it look like the 904. Wouldn't it be easier the start with a Boxster and add the roof?



I can see that.

Cayman, Boxster, either way they will pull the body off and put a totally new shape on.

island911 03-11-2012 08:46 AM

I think it's a bit whacked to call an older Porsche body based on a newer Porsche as some how just the same as a Ferrari based on Fiero. Hell the original Porsches were based on VW's - I guess that makes an original Porsche 550 a dune-buggy.

That said, I wouldn't pay the premium to have the 904 "look."

Zeke 03-11-2012 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 6615840)
Cayman, Boxster, either way they will pull the body off and put a totally new shape on.

Pull the body off what?

Baz 03-11-2012 09:12 AM

I'd rather have this:

Porsche : 356 Porsche : 356 | eBay

:cool:

BeyGon 03-11-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 6615909)
Pull the body off what?

either the Boxster or Cayman

svandamme 03-11-2012 11:43 AM

You missed the point, pull the body off what, as in , how can you pull the body if the car has a monocoque ?
And the Cayman and Boxster both have a monocoque, as do all Porsches, except amongst some rare and old others, the 904 ..

Mark Henry 03-11-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 6616200)
You missed the point, pull the body off what, as in , how can you pull the body if the car has a monocoque ?
And the Cayman and Boxster both have a monocoque, as do all Porsches, except amongst some rare and old others, the 904 ..

Sawsall.

BeyGon 03-11-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 6616200)
You missed the point, pull the body off what, as in , how can you pull the body if the car has a monocoque ?
And the Cayman and Boxster both have a monocoque, as do all Porsches, except amongst some rare and old others, the 904 ..

the point would be if you can cut the top off a Cayman you can cut the body off. Can you replace a fender?

"The article said it's Boxster based. I don't want to get into a Cayman-Boxster debate, but those are 2 very different cars. The pics look like it came from a Boxster. I can't see cutting the Cayman roof to make it look like the 904. Wouldn't it be easier the start with a Boxster and add the roof?"

DonDavis 03-11-2012 01:37 PM

The car's roof line and B pillar looks quite different than a Cayman. If the donor car must be a roofless, bodyless example, then start with a Boxster. They cost less and are more plentiful than a Cayman.

herr_oberst 03-11-2012 02:24 PM

The proportions are off. Interesting idea, but not there yet.

Tobra 03-11-2012 02:48 PM

That is very all right.

porsche930dude 03-11-2012 03:55 PM

cant dog on that! 10x cooler than cayman anyway

intakexhaust 03-11-2012 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 6614545)
I'd much rather have a Beck 904

Me too.

Tervuren 03-11-2012 06:14 PM

Not diggin' how low it is, or the wheels. Putting streetable wheels and tires, and streetable ground clearance, is going to make it look just as tacky as its over sized wheels and tiny tires, and no ground clearance.

I just ran accross another one of their cars a few days ago, "Ferrari 340 Tribute", uuugggly the way they pulled it off.(Not that the original was that good looking....)

Design these cars on 14-17" wheels, with a decent tire profile, and the style will be VASTLY improved.

Shuie 03-11-2012 06:34 PM

I love it.

Sure, I'd rather have a 904, but what do you do?

svandamme 03-11-2012 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 6616355)
the point would be if you can cut the top off a Cayman you can cut the body off.

I'm arguing that you can't cut the body off a monococque, because the monococque IS the body. Hence the name monocoque aka unibody.
You could modify the monococque with yer sawzall, but you can't pull the body off it.

If you cut the top off a Cayman, you cut the roof off the body, not the body off the car.
And it's a stressed part, so the entire thing would be weakened.. So better to start with a Boxster, since that one has been built to work without a roof.

DonDavis 03-12-2012 07:42 AM

Very well said, Stijn! That's what I was trying to say. However, I butchered it.

AirKuhl 03-12-2012 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 6616827)
Me too.

Me three. Beck all the way. Less expensive and looks correct. With a 964 era 3.6 it'll have great performance and still be air cooled. Maybe not quite as fast as this, but I don't think the last few % really matters in a car like this.

Beck 904 -- The Ultimate Replica

http://www.beck904.com/gallery/images/044.jpg

Zeke 03-12-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 6617269)
I'm arguing that you can't cut the body off a monococque, because the monococque IS the body. Hence the name monocoque aka unibody.
You could modify the monococque with yer sawzall, but you can't pull the body off it.

If you cut the top off a Cayman, you cut the roof off the body, not the body off the car.
And it's a stressed part, so the entire thing would be weakened.. So better to start with a Boxster, since that one has been built to work without a roof.

Yes, you can unbolt the front fenders, bumper and hood. In the rear, you can cut off the rear fenders and remove the bumper. The windshield frame could be replaced but it looks to be close to a Boxster screen. However, they added the bright stripping found on air cooled models.

Inner fender structure and hood/deck surrounds look to be very permanent.

But making and hanging new doors in the existing frames which are stressed looks to be a bit of a project as they are no where near the same. Furthermore, I would submit that the Boxster is a much larger car as is the Cayman.


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