The Peter Principle

[Zeke]

The Peter Principle has some gray hair these days. Was he right in the long run? I don't think he was.

[Eric 88 Carrera]

Originally Posted by Zeke

The Peter Principle has some gray hair these days. Was he right in the long run? I don't think he was.

I think it has been renamed to affirmative action.

[mossguy]

Originally Posted by Zeke

The Peter Principle has some gray hair these days. Was he right in the long run? I don't think he was.

It sounds like you have an example(s) to support your opinion. If so, please share.

[HardDrive]

Are you kidding? Its not only alive and well, its explains much of the mess we are in today.

[island911]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Are you kidding? Its not only alive and well, its explains much of the mess we are in today.

Glaringly so. (Community organizer turned ... . er . . many examples.

There's that saying; A man needs to know his limitations.

For those who do know, they know not overstep; even when offered a "promotion."

For others, they play the con-game and push for whatever they can grab.

[5String43]

And for the record, I seem to recall that the Peter Principle said:

A person will rise to his/her level of incompetence.

I think it remains as good as gold.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Are you kidding? Its not only alive and well, its explains much of the mess we are in today.

Truer words were never written.

[Zeke]

What it means is the the guy right above you is you and you can't do his job.

Now do you buy it?

[944Larry]

Originally Posted by Zeke

What it means is the the guy right above you is you and you can't do his job.

Now do you buy it?

no, you may be able to do a better job than the guy above you. I have known some rare individuals that can perform no matter where you place them. the peter principle mainly refers to a bureaucracy anyway.

[Zeke]

No it doesn't. I have the guy on tape and the book. He is a fascinating speaker with a good theory. That's it.

But, if he was right, how would you counter the principle?

[944Larry]

Originally Posted by Zeke

No it doesn't. I have the guy on tape and the book. He is a fascinating speaker with a good theory. That's it.

But, if he was right, how would you counter the principle?

Be careful to not be promoted past the level you feel comfortable performing at. No problem then!

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by 944Larry

Be careful to not be promoted past the level you feel comfortable performing at. No problem then!

If you can perform the job at the next level, then that's still below your level of incompetence. Eventually you will get there though.

[legion]

One approach to counter the Peter Principle is to make people prove they can handle the work before they are promoted.

Unfortunately, this can often have the effect of making employees do the work of one level up without promoting them.

[944Larry]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

If you can perform the job at the next level, then that's still below your level of incompetence. Eventually you will get there though.

To quote Dirty Harry..........."A man has got to know his limitations". Mine seem rather obvious to me.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by 944Larry

To quote Dirty Harry..........."A man has got to know his limitations". Mine seem rather obvious to me.

Ditto. That's also why I view very ambitious career people with some skepticism. I've seen some unbelievably stupid decisions made by top people who eventually get canned with a nice severance and stock package and then land in another top job somewhere else to end up doing the exact same thing. I swear, there's an entire class of incompetent executive leaders who job hop from one smoldering disaster to another and get bigger salaries and perks with each move. Good work if you can get it.

[Por_sha911]

If you are successful, you get promoted. This continues to happen until you fail at which point you are no longer promoted. As such, you rise to the level of your incompetence.

I've seen this a dozen times where the number one salesman is NOT a good sales manager. The company hoped that they could teach others to sell only to find that the person is a better salesman with no management skills. At that point, the person is fired or, no one wants to admit the mistake and the rest of the company suffers. Rarely will a person who is promoted to manager be willing to go back to sales. The ego is too fragile and because he is a bad manager he may have made enemies from the lowly sales force. That's why a man has to know his limitations.

[Rick Lee]

Yup, and that's why I'd never want my boss's job.

In my job account managers rarely have two good consecutive years because your annual goal is whatever your revenue was the previous year plus 15-18% growth. So if you blew your quota out of the water at 140% one year, add 15-18% to that number the next year and that's what you have to get to just to be at 100%. The most successful account managers leave after a banner year because they then have the best proven track record for finding another job and they know they won't make more money at the current job.

[tfmcmahon]

You need to call John Corzine and let him in on your theory!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by tfmcmahon

You need to call John Corzine and let him in on your theory!

Who needs to do this?

Oh, and it's Jon, not John.

[Esel Mann]

I've seen lots of it and still see lots of it.

The Peter Principle is alive well and not showing any signs of age!