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stomachmonkey 04-20-2012 03:44 PM

Need some load advice.
 
Want to hang a 32 in tv outside.

Weighs maybe 20 lbs.

House is clad/sided in brick.

Have a proper articulated mount for it.

So the question is, do I need to to make sure I get into studs behind the brick cladding or will lag bolts in the brick be enough to support it?

I'm under the impression that the brick holds up better under compression and not necessarily shear.

Bricks look like this.

http://img.tapatalk.com/477b9c29-f4a5-6eb0.jpg

TV going here.

http://img.tapatalk.com/477b9c29-f4c2-68b5.jpg

Watcha guys think?

TimT 04-20-2012 03:56 PM

Into the brick should be fine... sound the brick where you want to place the mount...if it sounds hollow move the location of the mount ... or you can get toggle bolts and go through the sheathing...

Otherwise anchor into the brick

Finding a stud may be a bit of a challenge..

1990C4S 04-20-2012 04:13 PM

Brick is fine.

porsche4life 04-20-2012 05:09 PM

Our 42 is just mounted into the bricks....

A930Rocket 04-20-2012 05:43 PM

I'd mount it in the mortar joint.

nota 04-20-2012 06:10 PM

why not screw a 2x4 up top to the existing wood
and let the tv hang down from that

dipso 04-20-2012 06:23 PM

Brick is fine. We have a 40" LCD mounted to brick inside and a 40" LED mounted outside.
If your weight is only 20 lbs just use 4 lag shields into the brick, throw in 6 if you are worried. It doesn't look like the red brick your mounting on is hollow, usually red brick is solid.
20lbs is not that heavy. You'll be ok.

LeeH 04-20-2012 07:05 PM

One of the products we installed at the company I used to own was exterior shutters. We found mounting into the brick was better than mortar for long term holding. Sometimes the mortar would crumble a bit during drilling. Definitely easier to drill though.

We had good luck using Redhead brand masonary screws.

stomachmonkey 04-20-2012 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 6701056)
I'd mount it in the mortar joint.

Not so sure about that. Would it not crumble easier than the brick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nota (Post 6701095)
why not screw a 2x4 up top to the existing wood
and let the tv hang down from that

The wood up top is just thin decorative ply, not sure what's under it. I'm sure there are stringers but I've got a couple of spare wall mounts so don't want to have to buy another.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipso (Post 6701103)
Brick is fine. We have a 40" LCD mounted to brick inside and a 40" LED mounted outside.
If your weight is only 20 lbs just use 4 lag shields into the brick, throw in 6 if you are worried. It doesn't look like the red brick your mounting on is hollow, usually red brick is solid.
20lbs is not that heavy. You'll be ok.

The bricks are hollow, see first pic.

Thanks all.

porsche4life 04-20-2012 07:12 PM

Mortar is more likely to blow out.... We mount things to brick walls all the time. Prefer to drill the brick if at all possible, the anchors will hold much better.

Evans, Marv 04-20-2012 07:52 PM

I'm not a professional builder, but I would be slightly concerned about the torque stress of a 20 lb. weight held out at a distance along with the weight of the mount. I'm sure the prior advice to anchor into the brick is OK. Those look more akin to concrete block with a faux brick front. If it were me, I'd try to anchor at least the top anchors in one of the solid sections that go from front to back. It might take a little dective work and measuring to find those parts of the brick facing.

dipso 04-20-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 6701178)

The bricks are hollow, see first pic.

Thanks all.

I thought you were mounting to the wall, those are red bricks.
The stack of brick at the bottom are brown. What are those for?

Mount the TV directly to the red brick. You will be fine.
Our TV is mounted above the fireplace directly to the chimney brick, 'red'.

Get a hammer drill, the proper size masonry bit and your good. Try to drill into the brick, not the mortar. The brick is easier and holds just fine.
If your tv is only 40 lbs and you are using 4 lags that is only 10lbs a piece.

porsche4life 04-20-2012 07:55 PM

Marv, We have a 42" TV mounted to a very similar brick wall, its been up for about 4 years now... No issues...

stomachmonkey 04-20-2012 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipso (Post 6701233)
I thought you were mounting to the wall, those are red bricks.
The stack of brick at the bottom are brown. What are those for?

Mount the TV directly to the red brick. You will be fine.
Our TV is mounted above the fireplace directly to the chimney brick, 'red'.

Get a hammer drill, the proper size masonry bit and your good. Try to drill into the brick, not the mortar. The brick is easier and holds just fine.
If your tv is only 40 lbs and you are using 4 lags that is only 10lbs a piece.

I was here every day while the house was being built.

The bricks in the first pic are extras.

First pic taken under different lighting conditions than the second

Trust me, the bricks are not solid.

slodave 04-20-2012 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipso (Post 6701233)
The stack of brick at the bottom are brown. What are those for?

I'm guessing those are the left over bricks. :) Not uncommon to keep some around in case something happens down the road.

Evans, Marv 04-20-2012 09:42 PM

Sid, that's good to hear. I was just saying from my point of view, I'd attach it in a way to avoid problems down the line and the way I mentioned is something I'd consider if I were doing it - & I'd use Redheads. I think I'm not up on the latest TV's although we have two flat screens (42 in.), but the older is really heavy & the newer one is quite a bit lighter although not light. They are certainly not like the 32 in. tube TV I bought in the late '80's & replaced around '04.

javadog 04-21-2012 03:04 AM

Hilti makes some special anchors for attaching things to brick or block. I would consider those.

If the TV is going into the corner of the two walls, consider a simple, custom mount that spans between the two walls.

JR

Rick V 04-21-2012 04:55 AM

If your TV weighs 20lbs and you use four mounting bolts that is 5lbs per attachment point. If you can't hang that weight you have more issues that just a TV to worry about.

1990C4S 04-21-2012 07:13 AM

I forgot to add: Use lead shields in the brick.

javadog 04-21-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick V (Post 6701640)
If your TV weighs 20lbs and you use four mounting bolts that is 5lbs per attachment point.

If the TV is cantilevered out from the wall, that's not how you do the math...

JR


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