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mikeesik 05-12-2012 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 6743452)
Great story.

What's the reasoning behind fabric covered surfaces? Weight? Durability against battle damage?

use what is avail.

Joeaksa 05-12-2012 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 6744019)
Prewar. I think it was a 65CA.
I didn't realize the later ones used no stitching.

Those are fine. The post-war wings were designed to use PK screws and the ribs were pretty sharp on the edge, so if someone rib-stitched them eventually some of the cord would be cut, and the fabric coming loose.

All of a sudden you have become a test pilot as the wing was not the shape intended and you may or may not get on the ground in one piece.

mikeesik 05-12-2012 09:18 PM

When i worked at the airport.. I saw many different crafts.

I , myself who know's not much was feeling great next to some aircraft and then...I was really
dissapointed in what I learnt. Mustangs post war had canvas tailings-
AT6 TEXANS-or Canadian HARVARDS =same thing.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS before my work tenure.
When I did come to realize it was the truth, I almost felt betrayed in some weird way.

canvas and wire still existed -wow!

cashflyer 05-13-2012 04:55 AM

What is this?
It reminds me of a Boeing P-26 - but the turtledeck and markings are wrong.

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 6744369)
these things are out there. here's a favorite from karelia.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1336872965.jpg


Joeaksa 05-13-2012 05:02 AM

Believe its a Brewster Buffalo?

Yep, Wiki looks about the same:
https://www.google.com/search?q=brewster+buffalo&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=2Gu&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ& sa=X&ei=z7CvT8qnGofY2QWCiMHpCA&ved=0CH4QsAQ&biw=16 80&bih=978

Joe Bob 05-13-2012 05:08 AM

USMC called them the 'Flying Coffin'................

varmint 05-13-2012 07:50 AM

The Prime Minister secured a historic deal that will see the fighter aircraft dug up and shipped back to the UK almost 67 years after they were hidden more than 40-feet below ground amid fears of a Japanese occupation.
The gesture came as Mr Cameron became the first Western leader to meet Aung San Suu Kyi, the Burmese democracy campaigner held under house arrest for 22 years by the military regime, and invited her to visit London in her first trip abroad for 24 years.
He called on Europe to suspend its ban on trade with Burma now that it was showing “prospects for change” following Miss Suu Kyi’s election to parliament in a sweeping electoral victory earlier this year.
The plight of the buried aircraft came to Mr Cameron’s attention at the behest of a farmer from S****horpe, North Lincs, who is responsible for locating them at a former RAF base using radar imaging technology.
David Cundall, 62, spent 15 years doggedly searching for the planes, an exercise that involved 12 trips to Burma and cost him more than £130,000.


Spitfires buried in Burma during war to be returned to UK - Telegraphhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1336924231.jpg

varmint 05-13-2012 07:54 AM

pappy boyington flew the buffalo as part of an early evaluation program. he thought highly of it. but the model delivered to the marines was far overweight. the corp wanted a bunch of added features. and it ruined the performance.

the finns bought the earlier model and racked up staggering kill ratios agains the russians.

cashflyer 05-13-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 6744839)
Believe its a Brewster Buffalo?

With the hakaristi, I thought it was a Nazi plane. I did not realize the Finns use that marking.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3373/080ii.jpg

Joeaksa 05-13-2012 03:41 PM

Harvey,

The Finn's actually were fairly successful with the bird and had many Ace's with them. Truthfully they were heavy, under-powered and until the later ones had light armor and no sealing fuel tanks, so not the most desireable in combat.

Tim Hancock 05-13-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeesik (Post 6744632)
When i worked at the airport.. I saw many different crafts.

I , myself who know's not much was feeling great next to some aircraft and then...I was really
dissapointed in what I learnt. Mustangs post war had canvas tailings-
AT6 TEXANS-or Canadian HARVARDS =same thing.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS before my work tenure.
When I did come to realize it was the truth, I almost felt betrayed in some weird way.

canvas and wire still existed -wow!

Nothing wrong with fabric covering.... It is light and strong. My current long term project is a modern aerobatic aircraft (DR107 "One Design") rated to +/- 10 g's and it has fabric covered lower fuselage and tail feathers. The only downside is that paint eventually cracks and if one wants to keep the aircraft looking show quality it wil likely need to be recovered some day.

Pitts biplanes all have fabric covered fuselages/wings/tail feathers. Staudacher and current Panzl aerobatic aircraft that are competitive in the world aerobatic championships have fabric covered tail feathers and lower fuselages.

I personally trust 4130 steel structures covered with fabric much more than composite structures long term.

imcarthur 05-14-2012 04:08 AM

On the subject of fabric (Wellingtons were fabric over a geodetic frame), more from my father's writings:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1336997021.jpg

On a different humourous note:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1336997055.jpg

Ian

romad 05-14-2012 08:44 AM

fabric control surfaces for weight, balance, and anti flutter. Controls were direct connect fly by"real wire". It also gives you lighter control pressures.

daepp 05-14-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gshase (Post 6744511)
German Fi156,BF109 And JU52 R.A.F. AOP4, PT26 and Supermarine Spitfire U.S.PT17,PT19 ,PT22,PT23,L3,L4,L5,L13,L19,BT13,BT15,T6, T28,T34,T50,C45 C47,P51,B17,B24,B29,PBY5,F4U5,HU16,C123 J4F-2,Sherman Tank, Half Track. And I have covered control surfaces on C47,Super 3, T6,FI156,PBY5A. Tomorrow morning @ 0830 I get to Fly a PT26 and a L5.

Wow - that's a very impressive list!


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