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3rd bear attack in az. in less than a year

1st one woman got dead by black bear...........pinetop az. where i spent a lot of my youth.

2nd a week ago up in payson ,az. guy nailed on cot in sleeping bag in cabin being built no windows no doors yet

3rd this past weekend up in payson az. guy(dude) attacked while in tent with daddy getting nailed and mommy and baby peoples escaping w/out injury.



common denominator(take a wild azzd guess here????)




nobody had a SPOON! imagine dat poo?




"oh those bears are just soooooooooooooooooo CUTE!" or "aint they cute?" (elvis costello).


minimum spoon here: .357 mag revolver or lever action

medium spoon here: .44 mag revolver or lever action .30/.30

kind of excessive spoon here: 20-30-40rd socom m-14/FN / HK -91. but me likey overwhelming supreme firepower always.

EL SUPREMO SPOON HERE: marlin 1895GS 45/70 will knock their dumazz'zz into the next universe even if ya wing 'em! LOL!



just got my SKINNER SIGHTS dialed in on my 1895GS 45/70. look the HELL OUT it is crazy insane accurate. nothing better than plowing earth at 100yds and watching a dust cloud come up that obscures the sun(well kind of fibbing there). it does look like a mini IED tho when ya hit a dirt bank with a 405 grainer azz whupper!
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OJU, I have a stupid "spoon newbie" question. I'm thinking of getting a .38 or a .40 for home defense. Could I use that with bigger badder ammo for defense against black bears? (no grizzlies around here)

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Do you maybe have a cannon you can pull behind your Vanagon?

Or it sounds like the Marlin 1895GS 45/70 needs some wheels.
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OJU, I have a stupid "spoon newbie" question. I'm thinking of getting a .38 or a .40 for home defense. Could I use that with bigger badder ammo for defense against black bears? (no grizzlies around here)

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.40/.45 all = bad guy peoples

.357/.44/10mm/.454/12 gauge/.338 win mag or bigger= bad bad bearbears. all of these have kilt blacks and grizzilies. but i would not go in grizz country with a .357. me???. ....................44 mag min. 4" barrel magnaported with buffalo bore or corbon meplat bullets. read both of their web sites about bear rounds and u.s. fish and wildlife using their rounds.

yes .45's have kilt grizzlies but i am not betting my life on it. it really is shot placement. you really want knockdown power here. they are wayyy stronger than a human hence the calibers mentioned.



for an all around MO FUNNER than POO combo.............i'd buy a 4-6" stainless .357 pistole ruger smith etc. and then buy a marlin stainless .357 lever rifle. perfect combo for just about anything. until in grizz country and then ya need to upgrade in the power category.

wifey wants to learn how to shoot? stuff some crap .38 leads in it and she will love you long time GI! stuff some HOT .357's in the pistol ................she will hate you long time GI! it will be snappy. let her learn with .38's.


revolvers ALWAYS GO BANG(just about always unless light primer strike) autos...........well then it comes down to lots of homework to make sure they always go bang. a few more parts to worry about.

its real tough to hurt stainless.


if i am just bee boppin around the hinterlands...........its a .357 smith 4" or 6" stainless and matching marlin lever in .357. both plenty big firestick for black bears and mtn kittys.



for teradactyl work...............45/70 any day!
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OJU, I have a stupid "spoon newbie" question. I'm thinking of getting a .38 or a .40 for home defense. Could I use that with bigger badder ammo for defense against black bears? (no grizzlies around here)

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yes

I'd go for the biggest baddest round around tho
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I'd take a wild assed guess and say they weren't following bear protocol, and in at least one of the cases of people in the tent sleeping, a spoon might have just added more injuries......

30k people a year go hiking in northern NM in a very black bear heavy area with very, very few issues. Why? Proper bear procedure.


Spoons aren't always the answer, sometimes ya just gotta not be a dumbass
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OJU, I have a stupid "spoon newbie" question. I'm thinking of getting a .38 or a .40 for home defense. Could I use that with bigger badder ammo for defense against black bears? (no grizzlies around here)

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If you're thinking .38 in a revolver, a .357 magnum will shoot both .38specials and the magnum rounds. A .357 is not a prime bear round, however it is an outstanding round and with proper bullets can do the job. Even though the design of a black bear requires a bullet capable of deeper penetration than a human, most black bears are 200-350lbs, and with proper ammo a .357 can be effective. Had a good sized bear in my driveway Sunday, but the dogs were plenty of deterrent.
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my bad..............(3) black bear attacks in as many weeks in payson,az., and the earlier fatal bear mauling in pinetop,az.

azgfd and us fish wildlife and dept of agriculture snipers went to town with hounds(freeking beagles) and treed (3) of them and nailed them.


very detailed crime scene with azgfd CSI's grabbing DNA samples from camping gear/people bit/ tents/ sleeper bags/etc.


all tissue samples sent to wyoming to determine which bear did what to whom. and if any had rabies. yes RABIES very prevalent along mogollon rim mammilians. bats skunks rabbits foxes bobkats etc. etc. not so much down in lower scrub and dez areas.

this is what happens when "BEARS GO BAD!"

azgfd-3.................bears -0



p.s. YES THERE ARE GUBBERMINT JOBS TO BE A "SNIPER" for u.s. dept of agriculture nailing problematic kritters and GET PAID FOR IT! mmmmmm my kind of job! aka BEN LILLY! look him up on google! a ranchers BEST FRIEND!
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