Ferrari Pricing Request

[ckissick]

Originally Posted by kaisen

If that one is worth $30K, and a complete running, driving V12 that needed resto just sold through true Ferrari guru Michael Sheehan for under $30K, there's something amiss......

1963 Ferrari 330 GT America Serial Number 5015 GT - main page

From the link:

"330 America s/n 5015 GT. One owner since 1976. The long term owner, an engineer, rebuilt the motor. When inspected it started without drama, had no smoke on startup or when warmed up. Has good oil pressure and makes no potentially expensive noises. Runs and drives well with excellent syncros but so–so brakes.

The body is rust free and the original paint is in amazingly good shape, but the owner/engineer somehow never found time to finish the bodywork so repairs are needed to the upper nose panel plus a paint job and interior work. This “barn find” Ferrari is really too nice to make into yet another 250 project car but it will probably become another 250 project car, simply because the cost to restore the car “as original” is probably more than it’s worth.

Asking $32K. It will sell quickly."

It seems the gurus are in disagreement on pricing. Maybe someone got a good deal. Besides, I still don't know the asking price on the black one. Maybe Mark will buy it.

[Damian in NJ]

Do we know how long ago the Sheehan car sold? Just about any decent V12 Ferrari motor is worth more than the 30K they were talking about for that car these days.

[McLovin]

Guru isn't the quite the word I would use to describe Sheehan.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by Damian in NJ

Do we know how long ago the Sheehan car sold? Just about any decent V12 Ferrari motor is worth more than the 30K they were talking about for that car these days.

Try TEN years ago.

[ckissick]

The price for the subject of the thread has been decided upon by the seller: just under $40K. That fits in with Yang's estimate of a wholesale price of $30K.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Guru isn't the quite the word I would use to describe Sheehan.

True. But I doubt no one has more experience selling old broken ponies than Sheehan.

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

Try TEN years ago.

Yes, ten years ago. It's now at a restoration shop in Illinois.




Is the black car is question in Sebastopol, CA? Or in Las Vegas?

Do you have a chassis number?

[MarKoBrow]

Originally Posted by ckissick

It seems the gurus are in disagreement on pricing. Maybe someone got a good deal. Besides, I still don't know the asking price on the black one. Maybe Mark will buy it.

I will look at it Tuesday morning.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by MarKoBrow

An American V8 would turn the car to junk, like I said earlier the Columbo V12 can be found in the 400 or 400i for fairly cheap for instance this car 1982 Ferrari 400i for Sale in Redwood City, California is less than $30k and would make the car whole with Ferrari parts. I don't see the logic in placing a crappy lumpy V8 in the car when V12's are available.

Agree and think it would be acceptable to some in the Ferrari crowd. Find a rough 400i in the mid-$ 20k. Full rebuild will double that, hopefully not. Noisy timing chain tensioner issues, water pump, leaky gaskets all have to be considered. Most of the 400i I recall had GM automatics, ran hot with all the US plumbing, EPA stuff. Yuk. Although I think if one did a clean transplant without all the emission garbage, could be a neat reliable cruiser. DIY Ferrari and guessing would have $100k into it when done??

[AFC-911]

I don't like the idea of taking a good running Ferrari and picking it for parts.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

I don't like the idea of taking a good running Ferrari and picking it for parts.

Agree but a cheap and rough 'running' 400i is far from being a so called desirable Ferrari. Some might go so far as calling it a miserable car. Finding and buying the drive train isn't much different vs. the cost of a rough car. The 330 here is already picked apart and I guess its ones matter of choice of what they want in the end.

[matthew-s]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

I don't like the idea of taking a good running Ferrari and picking it for parts.

Agreed. Leave them alone.

That is what happened to these GTE's in the first place. Its a crying shame. But as it's said, once someone buys a car, they are free to do what they want.

As an aside, I was fortunate in that my parent's neighbor restored a GTE, mostly in his garage, in the 1980's. It was an expensive hobby then, but nowhere near what it would cost today. IIRC he got the running car (with rusted running boards and other issues) for ~$30k.

I'd hang out over there all I could. It was through that experience that I got the confidence to wrench on my own cars.

I got a number of rides in that car, and I have an undying love for Ferrari V12's because of it. The noises! unbelievable!

Around town it would make this incredible gearbox whine. When you hammered it the gearbox whine would be overcome by the most amazing induction noise through the triple 4-barrel Webers. I can still hear it - 25 years on!

That car was sold somewhere in the mid 1990's I think. He had other cool cars over the years, but I think he feels he should never have let that one go.



I digress. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.


I just don't think you could get anywhere near that with the flat-crank Chevy. It would probably be way too much power for the vintage chassis as well.

That said, I'd respect anyone who would get that chassis moving again in some non-destructive way. It could allow for the eventual return of the 3.0L Ferrari V-12!

[ckissick]

I talked to the seller. It had been in a barn in the CA desert since the 1970s. Zero rust. He said it may not need a paint job. It will buff right out. Even without the engine, it's very intriguing.

[fxeditor]

Originally Posted by ckissick

No kidding. This would be my goal:

That car in black is unbelievably sexy!

[matthew-s]

Originally Posted by fxeditor

That car in black is unbelievably sexy!

Indeed. A real "Gentlemen's Ferrari"

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by ckissick

Its engine/tranny were stolen in the early 1970's

That was a long time ago. Any chance they could be found & reunited with the car? Would the engine have the same VIN as the car?

Just a thought.

[Damian in NJ]

Originally Posted by ckissick

Calling all Ferrari experts. What's this worth? (about)

1963 330 America, no engine or tranny. Otherwise rust-free and restorable.

Any information on the double bubble in the rear of the photo?

[ckissick]

Originally Posted by Damian in NJ

Any information on the double bubble in the rear of the photo?

It's also for sale. $18K. Call the dealer. He has sources for doors, deck lid, etc.

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[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Paul K

That was a long time ago. Any chance they could be found & reunited with the car? Would the engine have the same VIN as the car?

Just a thought.

Yes, the engine number matches the chassis number, and it is stamped clearly on the block

That's the reason I asked for the chassis number. I know where there is (was?) a correct 330 America block, stamped with 50xx that's been in the corner of a shop in California for decades.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Yes, the engine number matches the chassis number, and it is stamped clearly on the block

That's the reason I asked for the chassis number. I know where there is (was?) a correct 330 America block, stamped with 50xx that's been in the corner of a shop in California for decades.

That could spell trouble for said shop.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That could spell trouble for said shop.

No, only if it were stolen.

Remeber, it was common to cut up 'lowly' 250s and 330s for their drivetrains

I remember when you could buy nice 330 four-headlights for $15K, and I'm not that old