Why do Audis suck?
 

Beautiful cars and all but man do they stink at reliability. When we were shopping for a small wagon, we looked at Audis and Passats but after doing a little research on the web, we decided against them. All the owner reviews say do not buy without an extended warranty or dump the car just before the warranty expires. Why wouldn't the manufacturer do more to improve the reliability?

The Germans have always built good cars but today they're competing with cars built in Asia that are not quite as good but a whole lot cheaper. So they want to be competitive by cutting costs. I guess they're searching for a balance between quality and value.

Incidently, lots of parts for the VW group are now made in China.

I think the only "Luxury" car maker out there that makes a reliable car is Lexus. Just find them plain boring. I too like Audi's new look but would never get one because of the numerous complaints and the dealer close to me is dissapointing. Would not ever consider VW.

Beautiful inside but overly complicated and obviously designed to a price point, as most cars sadly are today. Frankly you can make the same argument about most modern cars, with luxury cars having more technology to go wrong.

The only Audi I would buy would be an R8...jus' sayin'

I have an 2000 2.7 quattro A6 with 146k on the clock. It has been a great car that has never let me down. Sure it is a challenge to work on but I find it an awesome car especially for 13 years old.

Great cars when cared for properly. Now, if you choose not to do your own maintenance and wrenching I can see where there might be some frustration.

Would love a D2 S8. Ming Blue with platinum interior. And a 6 speed swap while we're at it.

I'm about 8 months into a 2012 Infiniti G37S Sedan and continue to be impressed daily. Nice balance of sport and luxury, reliable, realistically featured without anything over the top, and a comparative bargain vs comparable German options.

Another happy Infiniti owner here -- M45 with a sport package. Bought it used coming off a lease for a great price and I've been happy with it.

We also have an Acura MDX with 190,000. Only things done to it has been oil and timing belt changes, brakes, and other misc routine maintenance. It's never been in the garage for anything else!

So the upper end Japanese models have been great for us.

I agree that the Lexus line looks boring which is why I went Infiniti. Although I've seen some brand new Lexus models that have improved in the looks dept, but I never buy new.

Another audi hate thread . . . :confused:

My wife & I both agree that our '02 3.0L A4 Quattro is the best car we have ever had as a DD. It has been cheap to maintain - dealer service too - when compared to the POS '00 323i that shared the driveway for a few years.

Ian

Friend has a 04 Jetta with ~45k miles. Nice interior, looks nice, decent power. The damn thing always has something wrong. ABS control module, water pump just went, vacuum hoses... it never ends.

My Audi experience has been very different, although I'm driving older cars (the "newest" is 2001). They are maintenance-intensive (I do my own and have forever) and when treated reasonably well don't seem to have problems. I rarely have something fail without warning. The newer cars do seem to be much more complicated than needed (but aren't all cars that way now?).

Bought a Q5 for my wife, nary a problem here after 60k.

More good anecdotal evidence here as well... Love the '06 2.0L A4 Avant I own. It doesn't drive quite as nice as a 3-series wagon, but the interior is FAR superior. No problems yet (fingers crossed).

x2 that's how they suck you in

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.....buying ANY expensive used car is risky. New you are covered, but if you already have a bad opinion of a car why would you consider buying one?

I was looking to buy an Audi 3 years ago but the local dealer wasn't looking to sell one. I gave up after a week of trying and bought a TDI Golf from a very friendly, helpful, no-BS VW dealer.

They're placed in movies a lot. That must be expensive.

Owned a trouble free '05 A3 that I squeezed 175k out of before I traded it. Broke an accelerator cable on my FJ62, and when I had it towed I asked the tow truck driver about picking up Audis since I had owned mine for 2 years and had heard of their problems (he worked the 405, 118, 101 and 210 for the LA people).

He told me when he did tow an Audi it was usually an A8 and had towed a few A6's and A4's never had picked up an A3. He told me hands down the most frequent breakdowns were BMW's, (we were discussing only the German marques).

Of course, there are only about five times as many BMWs in Los Angeles than there are Audis. BMWs there are EVERYWHERE.

Audis have really been taking off in the last 5-7 years (probably Due to media exposure). In fact, my friend just picked up an RS5 a few weeks ago. Lots of Mercedes around too but those seemed pretty trouble free according to the tow truck driver.

I sold my 2000 A4 1.8T after one year. It took Audi three months to replace the defective radio that was in the car when I bought it. I kept reading about suspension bushings failing on slightly older cars and how it cost $1700/side to fix. I literally got cold feet and sold the car while it had low miles and still looked like new.

Wasn't too long ago I received notice that there was a class action settlement about coking in the engine on the 1.8Ts. I loved the car, but think I would have regretted owning that car long term.

Very true! But SoCal has been a BMW mecca for more than 30 years.... that tow truck driver might spend all day picking up 1995 BMWs and doesn't differentiate age. He just knows he picks up lots of BMWs :D

My sis in law had a Passat that was just beautiful. It rode really well and built tight like a sports sedan. I think it too had a 1.8T. Anyway, it had engine sludging that the dealer couldn't address so they sold it. I thought it was just a one off issue.

Exactly. I'm at coffee shop and there are 5 new or almost new BMWs next to each other at the curb, angle parked. It looks like the front line of BMW dealer with all of the CPO cars.

We have leased 2 A4 Avants for my wife & have not had any problems. As in, none. Granted we only drive them for about 30k miles or so....

I REALLY like our (4-cylinder turbo) A4 Avant. While it is too sedate to be my DD, it is a great family car, fantastic on the freeway, etc. I like a lot about it. Great car. We will probably lease her an A4 Allroad next time.

FYI, before the Audis, we leased 2 Passat GLX 4Motion wagons for her, & they were both great cars too for the 3 years we had them.

My 2 cents, FWIW.

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I'm very happy with my 2010 Q5, actually I love it.

Same goes for my cousin's A6 S Line, quite a beautiful car.

I've had a few 1999-2005 era VW and Audis with the 1.8T and engine sludge issues. Bought them broken. I will no longer fix them, they're simply too expensive and complicated given their current value (or lack thereof).

Back in 2001-2002 I used to travel to Florida every month for their Volkswagen/Audi Credit sales to buy factory and off-lease cars. Many, many of the 1.8Ts had "SLUDGE" or "MOTOR NOISE" written in bold letters on their windshields so they did not come back in arbitration. They knew of the issues a loooooong time ago.

Is the sludge issue a result of extended oil change intervals or (?).

My 08 A3 bought new, has been problem free for 54K miles, except for a diverter valve failure which was a DIY job. My 95.5urS6 avant has been excellent except for body parts falling off with age. Daily driver Audis beats the uber dependable, Asian appliance cars hands down in my book. YMMV

No, it's a result of two things.... One, emissions running a "hot" head as well as a naturally hot turbo. Two, a restrictive PCV system. Combine the two and you've got automotive ateriosclerosis.

Shorter oil change intervals and synthetic will help. But won't do much after the damage is already done.

I thought it was due to heat shield issues with the turbo, I may be wrong.

No, not really although that's related to the heat issue. It's like the chicken and egg, I suppose

Wife drives a 2011 S4 and it's been superb. I think it has about 30K miles on it so far. Time will tell however.

My 03 has a twin turbo 8 putting out about 525 horse power and will do 0-60 in a touch over 4 seconds. That makes it hard on transmissions. Otherwise it has been fine for me. Wear items are expensive, though.

One is always going to pay for that level of performance. There is no getting around the laws of physics. :)

......like transmissions?


Just kidding

Over a 10 year period in 3 different states at 3 different Audi dealers I was snubbed by the salespeople with attitudes. Each one left me feeling like they were entitled to something and did not want to waste time with me. One woman at the Richmond, VA dealership asked me if I was buying that day and I said I had just started looking at my options and she walked away from me saying that she was not going to waste her time with me. Later that day I drove back with a new Acura and told her manager the story. He did not seem to care. I found this attitude on 3 separate occasions and have since decided that Audi will never be on my list of options again. Maybe I was saved from 3 lemons by these encounters.

The highest paid auto technician that I have ever heard of works at Beverly Hills Audi. He made more than a lot of MDs a couple years ago. I've known his service manager for over 25 years and he is the one who told me.

Apparently they are a gift that keeps on giving for dealer service departments.