My neighbor has a....

[recycled sixtie]

2012 Ford Ranger(6 cyl) with 10k miles which he bought new a year ago. So it is one year into a 3 year warranty. He has a daily leak(diameter the size of a coffee mug) of oil coming from the engine.
Ford dealership has replaced gaskets and has been their 3 times but the problem is still there. Anybody have a Ford Ranger with this of problem? I suggested keep on going back to dealership. He is not happy with it and talks about selling it. I said that he would take a big hit in depreciation. It would have been $15k more for a similar sized Toyota truck. Any suggestions on the fix?

[Rick V]

Three failed attempts at the same repair is now a lemon law vehicle. Have him go into the dealer, with this info and tell them to either replace the vehicle, or he will be contacting Ford about them buying it back.
That buy back goes against the dealer who attempted to fix it, and is not a good thing. They will do everything they can to make your friend happy.

[bell]

Rick v hit the nail on the head......and being it's engine related it is a perfect example of why this law exists......something so simple add an oil leak....but with the environmental angle too it should be a no brainer

[kaisen]

This a dealer problem, not a Ford problem. They should have fixed it by now. The dealer can (and should) request Ford's help at this point. They'll send a field service engineer and it will get handled correctly. The dealer's technician simply isn't doing his job.

[Neilk]

Not sure there is a lemon law in Canada, but can he take it to different Ford dealer in Edmonton or is there only one? They need to fix it correctly.

[Mark Henry]

Tell the dealer to fix it or you will take it to CANVAP, that should get their butts in gear.
http://www.camvap.ca/

C&P

Motor Vehicle Lemon Laws in Canada – CAMVAP.
The program does include awards where the arbitrator orders the manufacturer to buyback the vehicle. The arbitrators can order the manufacturer to buyback the vehicle; repair the vehicle at its expense; reimburse the consumer for repairs that have been paid for by the consumer; and, reimburse the consumer up to $500 for limited out of pocket expenses. Buybacks average about $22,000 with most vehicles that are ordered to be bought back usually being in their 2nd or early 3rd year of operation. One recent and very exceptional buyback was for just over $250,000.
The program covers vehicles that are from the current plus 4 model years old. Up until September 30th of this year, that means vehicles that are 2004 and newer are eligible. After September 30, 2008 program eligibility will be limited to vehicles from the 2005 and newer model years with program eligibility extending to 160,000 kilometers (100,000 miles.) Unlike many U.S. lemon laws CAMVAP covers used vehicles.
The CAMVAP process is free to the consumer. The hearings are held in the consumer’s home community. Manufacturers send district service staff or retired service staff to the hearings. Manufacturers do not send a lawyer. Unlike the U.S. lemon law system in all but a few states, consumers do not need lawyers. The program and its agreement for arbitration are more practical than the lemon laws.
When pre-hearing settlements, consent orders and contested awards are added together, consumers are successful about 70% of the time. Aside from the other awards, 87 vehicles were bought back by the manufacturers for a total value of 2.04 million dollars.
CAMVAP is governed by an independent board of governors that include consumer, government, dealer and manufacturer representation. All of the provinces and territories in Canada are members of CAMVAP and senior representatives from these governments participate in CAMVAP’s overall governance.
Canada’s approach to dispute resolution is considerably different than the U.S. model. The fact that the order is binding on both the consumer and the manufacturer is considered a benefit of the program. The fact that the program is free to consumers makes access available to all consumers that have a dispute with the manufacturer of their vehicle and becausethe program is Canada-wide, consumers are treated the same no matter their jurisdiction. This is significantly different from the patchwork quilt of lemon laws that exist in the United States. Many states have excellent well administered lemon laws, but in other states the laws are on the books with no funding, staffing or practical availability to the consumer.
For those interested in CAMVAP, please see our website. General consumer information as well as the programs annual reports is available to be viewed and downloaded.
I must disagree with Mr. Lemberg’s bottom line. CAMVAP provides consumers with an excellent program that is fast, fair, free, friendly and final. Canadians have a program that works for consumers and in many ways exceed many of the U.S. models.
Stephen Moody
General Manager
Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan

[Jim Bremner]

An engineer friend of mine had the same problem with his WRX It took 4 times at a dealer and 2 times at a specialty shop to cure it.

Is it the 3.0? they have a difficult oil filter.

[A930Rocket]

I'd skip the arbitration and lawyer up with someone who knows auto laws from personal experience.

Had a 99 Dodge Ram quad cab that was in the shop for 45 days in six months. Couldn't fix the problem and the arbitration mediator voted with the mfg. Got a lawyer and it was settled in a matter of a month.

BTW the arbitration council or what ever it's called is funded by the auto mfgs. Guess who wins 99% of the time?

[Bill Douglas]

That is quite a lot of oil. Maybe the dealer should pay for the driveway to be repaired too.

[sammyg2]

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was a furd ranger.
I can't even begin to explain how much I hated that pile O'steaming crappola.
In 55k I spent more on repairs than I had spent in payments.

[Jim Bremner]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was a furd ranger.
I can't even begin to explain how much I hated that pile O'steaming crappola.
In 55k I spent more on repairs than I had spent in payments.

Dad has one, 75k miles
son #2 has one 164k (it's been abused hard as a 4x4 owned by teens) it's had a few problems since it's been lifted and mudded.
son #4 has one that has 120k miles no probs.

Brother in law owned one got it thursday flipped it off roading on Saturday. dropped a new cab on it and drove it 65k miles before selling it

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was a furd ranger.
I can't even begin to explain how much I hated that pile O'steaming crappola.
In 55k I spent more on repairs than I had spent in payments.

Ford : Ranger XL in Ford | eBay Motors

This ^^ one's got almost 215K miles on it. He must have spent, what, a million dollars by now?!?

Cars for Sale: 2003 Ford Ranger 2WD Regular Cab in Englewood, OH 45322: Truck Details - 325890091 - AutoTrader.com

But THIS ^^ one's got over 315K miles on it. He must have spent OVER A BILLION DOLLARS on it so far!!


Where do these guys get all that money!?

[romad]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was a furd ranger.
I can't even begin to explain how much I hated that pile O'steaming crappola.
In 55k I spent more on repairs than I had spent in payments.

General statement list:

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was "add your brand and model".

[NY65912]

We've got a 2011 at the shop for light hauling and running around. It probsbly does 100m mi per day or better.

So far, 1 year, no leak or problems.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by kaisen

This ^^ one's got almost 215K miles on it. He must have spent, what, a million dollars by now?!?

But THIS ^^ one's got over 315K miles on it. He must have spent OVER A BILLION DOLLARS on it so far!!

Where do these guys get all that money!?

At the risk of confusing the point (I'll type it slowly) I did not say all furd rangers were junk. I said the furd ranger I HAD was the biggest POS vehicle I had ever owned, and it was. Hands down.

it was a 1986, first year with the 2.8 V6.
When it had 10k miles it sucked an intake manifold gasket in, and with it sucked the oil out of the galley. There wasn't a mosquito within miles. Unofficial recall on that one.
A couple months later it lost all oil pressure, then at around 38k (out of warranty) it started losing power and died on the freeway. Diagnosis was a clogged cat convertor and bad fuel pump and bad injectors.

Then at around 50k it died again, same symptoms. Diagnosis: TWO bad cats, TWO bad fuel pumps, and a bad fuel injection computer. Oh and bad injectors again, and a bad injector harness.

then died again. I had it towed to the stealer and told them to do the absolute minimum to get it to run for 5 miles.
I drove it down the street and traded it in.

How much do ya think that all cost smartass? Or is that Mr. Smartass? Maybe it's Mr. Smartass Expert?

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The biggest, worst POS I ever owned was a furd ranger.
I can't even begin to explain how much I hated that pile O'steaming crappola.
In 55k I spent more on repairs than I had spent in payments.

Originally Posted by sammyg2

At the risk of confusing the point (I'll type it slowly) I did not say all furd rangers were junk. I said the furd ranger I HAD was the biggest POS vehicle I had ever owned, and it was. Hands down.

blah, blah, blah

How much do ya think that all cost smartass? Or is that Mr. Smartass? Maybe it's Mr. Smartass Expert?

When it happened to you TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO??? Maybe tree fiddy. (is a 1986 even relevant when discussing a 2012 Ranger?)

I never said all furd rangers were great. I showed a couple that are still running after 200,000 miles and 300,000 miles. Maybe they had different luck than you. Or they've shovelled their life savings into them. Dunno.

But hey, you recently sold your Toyota to buy a Ford, so at least you don't hold a grudge

[speeder]

I had one for a while, I think it was a 1990 plain-jane 4-cyl. automatic. I never had any problems and sold it to one of my close friends who drove it for a couple years until the transmission went. I liked it, it was a perfect little PU truck.

YMMV.