Another CCW Saves the day..

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by lane912

Mr de wolf-
have you ever had a firearm pointed at you by someone that intended to use it to take your property away from you?

I have-
though I was armed, I chose to evade the situation by applying the gas peddle-
I was parked in my cab and the perp was outside my car window-

Yes I have. Held right against the back of my head. I was a manger at a gas station doing the drag shift. 12.00am-6.00am. It was the early hours of a Monday morning.Two guys came in, one with a handgun. The other a baseball bat. I was 18. I remember saying at the time if I'd had gun I would have shot them. In retrospect, I'm glad I was'nt armed and did'nt shoot them. They got what they wanted and left. I was unharmed. They were arrested the following day and sentenced to 5 years for armed robbery. They were both 18 also.

So for you armed guys. What happens if you're in a store and a 12-16 year old kid walks in with a replica/toy and holds it up and you shoot him?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by dewolf

What happens if you're in a store and a 12-16 year old kid walks in with a replica/toy and holds it up and you shoot him?

Obviously, you err on the side of caution, let him decide if you live or die and hope you get lucky.


BTW, per US law (I'm sure in every state), it's no less of an armed robbery if the gun used is a toy. It can even be a note saying he has a gun.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by dewolf

Yes I have. Held right against the back of my head. I was a manger at a gas station doing the drag shift. 12.00am-6.00am. It was the early hours of a Monday morning.Two guys came in, one with a handgun. The other a baseball bat. I was 18. I remember saying at the time if I'd had gun I would have shot them. In retrospect, I'm glad I was'nt armed and did'nt shoot them. They got what they wanted and left. I was unharmed. They were arrested the following day and sentenced to 5 years for armed robbery. They were both 18 also.

So for you armed guys. What happens if you're in a store and a 12-16 year old kid walks in with a replica/toy and holds it up and you shoot him?

Well, your kid won't graduate to a real gun and rob or kill anyone else..

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Obviously, you err on the side of caution, let him decide if you live or die and hope you get lucky.


BTW, per US law (I'm sure in every state), it's no less of an armed robbery if the gun used is a toy. It can even be a note saying he has a gun.

So you get to be judge, jury and excutioner of a kid that can't actually shoot anyone. Nice to know there are guys like you around....self appointed law makers.

[ODDJOB UNO]

did the DINGO'S EAT dewolf's brain?


kee-mo-sabe........."dewolfs been acting kind of weird lately?" lone ranger replies, " you mean like a coming out of the closet anti-gunner? yes TONTO, we will take your old secret name "TONTO" (FOOL), and give it to him." "ok lone ranger, what will my new secret name be?"

"your new secret name will be.........hmmmm............duh-wolf."



5 years for armed robbery...............pfffft! DO ARIZONA and DO TIME! see how much they would get here for that stunt.especially ME on the jury.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

did the DINGO'S EAT dewolf's brain?


kee-mo-sabe........."dewolfs been acting kind of weird lately?" lone ranger replies, " you mean like a coming out of the closet anti-gunner? yes TONTO, we will take your old secret name "TONTO" (FOOL), and give it to him." "ok lone ranger, what will my new secret name be?"

"your new secret name will be.........hmmmm............duh-wolf."



5 years for armed robbery...............pfffft! DO ARIZONA and DO TIME! see how much they would get here for that stunt.especially ME on the jury.

Cowboy personified. Is'nt your state one of the worst per capita for gun murders? Yeh, we can see how those laws are working.

[Baz]

Porwolf is a chick?

Does the "Por" stand for Porsche? And "wolf" for Wolf Henzler --- or just a wolf as in she likes them or has one as a pet.

Anyone? Just curious....

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by dewolf

Cowboy personified. Is'nt your state one of the worst per capita for gun murders? Yeh, we can see how those laws are working.

DUH -WOLF (aka tonto)actually statistically az has a LOW CRIME RATE , THE SAME AS FLORIDA who also has CCW. as well as ALL CCW STATES.

CCW makes a damn good impression on bad guys.


AZ has a HIGH PRISON POPULATION because we aint taking NO POO!


and my fave ...............chicagoooo.................and new york and of course kalif. all the gun laws on the planet and the crap keeps going down.



yer just pissed that "TONTO" is now yer countries secret name.


OZ sounded like a damn good place until yer jerk brain dead dingo ate my baby politicians decided that they would take away yer gun rights.


lone ranger has his colts. "tonto" no longer has his colts, in OZ!


ODDJOB and the rest of us can own/ use ANYTHING WE WANT! LEGALLY!


haves and have nots ONCE AGAIN!



what cha gonna do when a dingo shows up? invite him in for tea?


yeah yeah i know a dingo = our coyote.................their still pricks and do carry rabies. and they eat all my baby antelopezzez and deer's and elk's babies.



you keep watching QUIGGY down under and KEEP DREAMING!


"some day i'm a gonna own a lever action!"


can ya still own a sling shot legally?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by dewolf

So you get to be judge, jury and excutioner of a kid that can't actually shoot anyone. Nice to know there are guys like you around....self appointed law makers.

You're getting delusional. I didn't make the law. It's already the law here that anything resembling a gun used in the commission of a crime is treated as a gun....by the cops, the DA, the judge and the victims. It's not executing anyone to use deadly force in defense of life or limb. Man, where do you get this stuff? Have you ever defended yourself in any situation or just assumed the bad guy really didn't mean it and the cops would get there in time and sort it all out? Just wow.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by mossguy

Strongly disagree. Gun talk, per se, doesn't belong in PARF. Gun Control talk does. YMMV.

You are right, of course. But when somebody makes a posting that puts the controversial CCW's in a good light inevitably it will result in Gun Control talk.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

You're getting delusional. I didn't make the law. It's already the law here that anything resembling a gun used in the commission of a crime is treated as a gun....by the cops, the DA, the judge and the victims. It's not executing anyone to use deadly force in defense of life or limb. Man, where do you get this stuff? Have you ever defended yourself in any situation or just assumed the bad guy really didn't mean it and the cops would get there in time and sort it all out? Just wow.

I don't choose to live where I need a gun to save me from the big bad world. If I did I'd move. I find it ironic that the very laws you so longingly covet are the same ones that see you live in a society you created and now need to arm yourself to protect you from that society....bizarre.

[mossguy]

This has become a very circular discussion/argument!

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by dewolf

I don't choose to live where I need a gun to save me from the big bad world. If I did I'd move. I find it ironic that the very laws you so longingly covet are the same ones that see you live in a society you created and now need to arm yourself to protect you from that society....bizarre.

I don't live in such a place either. If I did, I'd move. I guess you're still safer than I am though, since you think nothing can happen to you and you'd do nothing about it if it did. Good luck with that.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I don't live in such a place either. If I did, I'd move. I guess you're still safer than I am though, since you think nothing can happen to you and you'd do nothing about it if it did. Good luck with that.

Never said nothing can happen to me. But I don't let that rule my life. I can travel pretty much anywhere in Australia (cities), and I have, and never felt the need, or wished I had a gun. I bet the same cannot be said for America.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by porwolf

You are right, of course. But when somebody makes a posting that puts the controversial CCW's in a good light inevitably it will result in Gun Control talk.

How is all those gun laws working in in Chi-Town??? About as well as other high gun law cities, only the bad guys have guns, and the innocents, in CCW states, we kill the bad guys..
Fl is doing well at killing purbs, and saving others from being robbed or killed..

BBC News - Nineteen shot in Chicago night of mayhem

Nineteen shot in Chicago night of mayhem

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Nineteen people were shot in seven attacks overnight in Chicago, as the US city's gun violence epidemic continued.

Thirteen of the victims were shot within a half-hour period, including eight in a drive-by shooting on a single street.

Chicago officials have been battling a sharp increase in shootings and homicides, with some elected officials arguing gangs do not fear the police.

The city's murder rate has spiked 29% year-over-year as of this month.

By that time in 2011, 270 people had been killed in the city, according to data complied by the local newspaper RedEye Chicago. In 2012, that number is 348.

Most of the violence has been in Chicago's troubled south and west sides, but there also have been a handful of incidents in the downtown area.

Victims 'not co-operating'

Thursday's violence began shortly after 17:00 local time (22:00 GMT), when four men were wounded on the west side.

A drive-by shooting in the south side injured seven males and one female, ranging in age from 14 to 20 years. Then five people were wounded in three other shootings around the same time.

Early on Friday morning, a 17-year-old was shot in the back.

Andrew Holmes, a community activist, told NBC Chicago some of the injured were not co-operating with police.

"They need to step up and speak up for us," he said. "Nine times out of 10, they knew who was firing the shot at them."

It is not the first time this year Chicago has seen a single night of double-digit victims.

Over the Memorial Day weekend in May, 12 people were killed, and another 48 were wounded.

Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy has been criticised for eliminating police teams sent to crime hot spots.

Chicago's homicide increase is counter to lowered rates in other major US cities, including New York and Washington.

[porwolf]

Let's forget Chicago for a moment here and look at bigger picture: The effect of the 2nd amendment, again:

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

DUH -WOLF (aka tonto)actually statistically az has a LOW CRIME RATE , THE SAME AS FLORIDA who also has CCW. as well as ALL CCW STATES.

CCW makes a damn good impression on bad guys.


AZ has a HIGH PRISON POPULATION because we aint taking NO POO!


and my fave ...............chicagoooo.................and new york and of course kalif. all the gun laws on the planet and the crap keeps going down.



yer just pissed that "TONTO" is now yer countries secret name.


OZ sounded like a damn good place until yer jerk brain dead dingo ate my baby politicians decided that they would take away yer gun rights.


lone ranger has his colts. "tonto" no longer has his colts, in OZ!


ODDJOB and the rest of us can own/ use ANYTHING WE WANT! LEGALLY!


haves and have nots ONCE AGAIN!



what cha gonna do when a dingo shows up? invite him in for tea?


yeah yeah i know a dingo = our coyote.................their still pricks and do carry rabies. and they eat all my baby antelopezzez and deer's and elk's babies.



you keep watching QUIGGY down under and KEEP DREAMING!


"some day i'm a gonna own a lever action!"


can ya still own a sling shot legally?

You're an idiot. ....you write like a 13 year old in remedial class. And you have guns.....scary.

So Az has a low crime rate. But has a high per capita gun murder rate......

Has this made the citizens of Arizona, a gun-lover's paradise, safe? Well, the state ranked 7th in the country in per capita gun deaths, according to statistics, and eighth in terms of the overall rate of violent crime, according to Census data . And its lax gun laws spill over its borders. Arizona ranked 11th among the states in terms of number of crime guns supplied to other states per capita. Perhaps more shockingly, in 2009, Arizona provided more crime guns per capita to Mexico than any other state.

Oh and by the way....we don't have rabies in Australia.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by porwolf

Let's forget Chicago for a moment here and look at bigger picture: The effect of the 2nd amendment again:

That chart does not illustrate the effect of the second amendment.

This has been explained to you over and over and over.

Why is it that you can't understand?

Could it be that you don't want to understand?

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

That chart does not illustrate the effect of the second amendment.

This has been explained to you over and over and over.

Why is it that you can't understand?

Could it be that you don't want to understand?

What is the difference between the US and Great Britain when in comes to guns: The US has the 2nd amendment and Great Britain does not. I know you try to argue in Grat Britain they kill with knives. Are you trying to tell us they do that at the same rate that we kill with guns?

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by porwolf

What is the difference between the US and Great Britain when in comes to guns: The US has the 2nd amendment and Great Britain does not. I know you try to argue in Grat Britain they kill with knives. Are you trying to tell us they do that at the same rate that we kill with guns?

So you're admitting that you've forgotten everything that was explained to you the last time you posted that chart?