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island911 09-03-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 6952859)
And if the person on the bike is riding to work...

At least around here NO ONE is riding to work out of necessity --myself included.

...and yet people pretend that they are saving the planet, or some such nonsense, by biking to work.

flatbutt 09-03-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 6952760)
In Chicago along Oak Street beach, a portion of the bike path reverts to walking only on busy days. Chicago's revenue expertise is in writing tickets and in this situation DO enforce the walking rule.

BTW: Body checks and hits are too obvious. Easier to 'accidently' have an old mans cane, umbrella or whatever stick thru some spoked wheel.

so...open season on anyone on a bicycle? I get harassed ALL the time. I always ride alone, as far to the right as possible but I get harassed all the time. Whoever hits me better fkin kill me.

nostatic 09-03-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 6952878)
so...open season on anyone on a bicycle? I get harassed ALL the time. I always ride alone, as far to the right as possible but I get harassed all the time. Whoever hits me better fkin kill me.

You can tell who has never ridden a bike outside of maybe once when they were a kid.

Reminds me of nonsense that used to (and maybe still?) go on up in the Marin headlands. The hikers and equestrians were so pissed off at the mtn bikers being on *their* trails that they started booby trapping them. Wood with nails buried in the trail and even garotes strung across the trail. Amazing that people think it is ok to do something like that (or shove an umbrella into a moving bike wheel). Seems like assault with a deadly weapon at that point...

People suck.

56 nomad 09-03-2012 03:26 PM

i have never been to the boardwalk so i cant comment , but i drive topanga and old topanga in socal a lot and often have to share the road with bike riders. i agree about the slower 2 or 3 across and blocking of the traffic etc. cyclists mostly adhere to the slower traffic keep right...share the road cycle carefully.
in my opinion gene pool comments not warranted as we have all probably caused some angst to some one at one time or another.
jm2c, ben

widebody911 09-03-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 6952711)
The thing is that the Fisherman's Wharf area is a multi-use path. That means walkers, runners, strollers, skaters, skateboards, and cyclists. This multi-use path is in a heavy tourist area, near bus lines, the Amtrak station, etc (if memory serves me). It is very congested and should be negotiated with care.

If you're serious about running/biking for fitness then there are multitudes of better places to do it. If you chose to schlep to one of the most congested sidewalks this side of the Mississippi river, you have no right to b!tch and complain about the tourists that are in your way. The problem is, these wanna-be bi-athletes piss and moan about all the people in their way.

When I was in Boston last year, it was the same thing - people were trying to jog & bike through the most congested areas. If they went just one lousy street over, they could go as fast as they wanted, unfettered, but nobody would get to see their neon camel toe.

lendaddy 09-03-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 6952859)
And if the person on the bike is riding to work.

Well then of course the hundreds of cars behind him should adjust their speed to what he finds proper/possible. What an odd question, I mean I personally can't think of a more logical approach than that.

**I would ask that he gets some appropriate sponsorship for the sign though, the one letting us know he's on his way to work. Again, this is VERY important as I understand it

aap1966 09-03-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 6952583)
Why in the hell.....get the f*ck off of Fisherman's Wharf and go somewhere......Same for you bike retards.......Are you that desperate for attention that you need to doll yourself up in several hundred dollars worth of Lycra, wedge your way into a crowd, and then get pissy.......
Please, stop that. If you're serious.....Stop posing and making the rest of us want to throw a body check as you go by.

Bad day?

Racerbvd 09-03-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 6952684)
Real bikers ride in the woods, out of the way of all those pesky motorists trying to get to work.

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Reminds me of nonsense that used to (and maybe still?) go on up in the Marin headlands. The hikers and equestrians were so pissed off at the mtn bikers being on *their* trails that they started booby trapping them. Wood with nails buried in the trail and even garotes strung across the trail. Amazing that people think it is ok to do something like that (or shove an umbrella into a moving bike wheel). Seems like assault with a deadly weapon at that point...
Yep, or running wire between trees in a path. One of the local Rail Trail BIKE Paths has been having these types of traps set for cyclist, and this is on a designated bike trail, not a hiking or anything else, maintains by a local bike club:mad:

look 171 09-03-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 6952610)
+1

Unfortunately it only takes a few to give the serious cyclists a "bad name".

I don't mind sharing the road if you share it too....

No man, it takes a whole bunch of dummies to give us serious cyclist (very small number) a bad name. I am very serious about cycling(no too much in the past 12-15 years) but understand how many of us feel. Yeah, stay off the sidewalk and don't purposely hold up traffic.

kcf7z 09-03-2012 05:03 PM

Any argument that uses extremes as the examples is flawed. I am a cyclist and runner and agree with the notion to stay away from congested areas and sidewalks and to keep out of traffic during busy times if I am riding for leisure. The part about this discussion and what I see from motorists around cyclists even on desolate roads at 8:00 AM on weekend days is the anger that permeates from them. The use of expletives and violent suggestions to me makes no sense. In the end if you kill a cyclist because what he is doing upsets you, you will quickly determine that your level of angst was not worth it. People speed by 3 inches away, yell, etc... and think that this is okay. Even in the scenario where someone is late to work. The most I have ever been delayed being patient behind a cyclist in a car is probably no more than 45 seconds.

Think past your narcissism, relax, and don't endanger someones life.

Baz 09-03-2012 05:05 PM

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Baz 09-03-2012 05:10 PM

I find a friendly toot to let cyclists know you are approaching is always appreciated...

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Laneco 09-03-2012 05:23 PM

If you're an idiot and ride with headphones in, you won't hear an approaching car. But for the rest of us who do ride responsibly, let me share what seems to be an unknown fact. Your car is NOT quiet. The tire, wind and engine noise are LOUD. HELEN ****ING KELLER can hear you coming. You do not need to ride behind me and hit the horn.

A couple of years ago, four of us were riding, single file and to the right and wholly within a marked bike lane in a low traffic area. We actually had about 10 feet or so of space between us as we had a new rider in the group. She had only been riding on the road a few months.

I was 4th in the line of 4 and the car was beside me when the jerk decided to "warn" us with very loud prolonged blast from the horn. The newbie in the group was in position #2. I saw her wobble hard, then move even FURTHER to the right, clip the curb and go down. On her face.

We found most of her missing teeth, rinsed them with a water bottle, and called her husband who picked her up. Really painful for her and not a cheap dental bill.

yeah. The honking is REAL helpful. :rolleyes:

angela

Zeke 09-03-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 6953108)
I find a friendly toot to let cyclists know you are approaching is always appreciated...

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:D

Now there's an asshloe that will get shot.

look 171 09-03-2012 06:51 PM

What a piece of work. I suppose making little kids jump is funny. Its about the same level as waking a sleeping baby with a loud bang. I wonder what he will do if I did that to him at his house? Why did you post that?

intakexhaust 09-03-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 6952899)
You can tell who has never ridden a bike outside of maybe once when they were a kid.

Reminds me of nonsense that used to (and maybe still?) go on up in the Marin headlands. The hikers and equestrians were so pissed off at the mtn bikers being on *their* trails that they started booby trapping them. Wood with nails buried in the trail and even garotes strung across the trail. Amazing that people think it is ok to do something like that (or shove an umbrella into a moving bike wheel). Seems like assault with a deadly weapon at that point...

People suck.

'Accidental' umbrella stuck in a bike wheel a deadly weapon? Make me laugh again. Maybe if one took the umbrella and zanely stabbed the jerk-off cyclist bloody multiple times.

Yeah 'people suck' bikers and drivers. Which one are you?

Last time I bicycle commuted to work on a regular basis, 4 days a week, 28 mile round trip, on a steel Colnago was 15 years ago. Eighty percent of the time was decent but had a high amount of car drivers... more like mentally and physically challenged, phat fuchs draw the aggraveted maneuvers. I had been spat at, garbage thrown at me, even a school bus driver once stuck in a traffic jam, open his door up and yell at me but the worst was purposely getting run off the road and side swiped by a psycho. I was at one time a road warrior riding countless centuries, fun long distance touring but since your'e talking of commuting, it was part of my workout and in the zone. I obeyed all stops and right of way laws permitted to bicycling. Even though cars were obviously faster in speed, my commute time was not much different as the four way stops were road jams to them, but not me or other cyclist. You could see those jerks just wanting to mess with me with their 'people suck' attitude. I'd have to admit, if I were road cycle commuting today and harrassed, it would get ugly.

Now for the cyclist who think they rule the roads, intersections, sidewalks.... they have it coming if hit. I once witnessed a cyclist RAM a little tyke on his bike on the Chicago lakefront bike path. The kid survived and the mother freaked, but the crashed cyclist just got back up and took off! Had I been closer to this jerk, I sure would have taken him out.

These days I want to live my second half century with minimized risk by riding off-road. I love being the 'old man' on single tracks who can challenge 20 some year olds with their ti tubed mount, flowery lycra and aero helmets .

look 171 09-03-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 6953475)
'Accidental' umbrella stuck in a bike wheel a deadly weapon? Make me laugh again. Maybe if one took the umbrella and zanely stabbed the jerk-off cyclist bloody multiple times.

Yeah 'people suck' bikers and drivers. Which one are you?

Last time I bicycle commuted to work on a regular basis, 4 days a week, 28 mile round trip, on a steel Colnago was 15 years ago. Eighty percent of the time was decent but had a high amount of car drivers... more like mentally and physically challenged, phat fuchs draw the aggraveted maneuvers. I had been spat at, garbage thrown at me, even a school bus driver once stuck in a traffic jam, open his door up and yell at me but the worst was purposely getting run off the road and side swiped by a psycho. I was at one time a road warrior riding countless centuries, fun long distance touring but since your'e talking of commuting, it was part of my workout and in the zone. I obeyed all stops and right of way laws permitted to bicycling. Even though cars were obviously faster in speed, my commute time was not much different as the four way stops were road jams to them, but not me or other cyclist. You could see those jerks just wanting to mess with me with their 'people suck' attitude. I'd have to admit, if I were road cycle commuting today and harrassed, it would get ugly.

Now for the cyclist who think they rule the roads, intersections, sidewalks.... they have it coming if hit. I once witnessed a cyclist RAM a little tyke on his bike on the Chicago lakefront bike path. The kid survived and the mother freaked, but the crashed cyclist just got back up and took off! Had I been closer to this jerk, I sure would have taken him out.

These days I want to live my second half century with minimized risk by riding off-road. I love being the 'old man' on single tracks who can challenge 20 some year olds with their ti tubed mount, flowery lycra and aero helmets .

I agree with you. I spent lots of time on the road, the yelling and screaming is the norm. We have gotten into it with bus drivers for the most part.

Now, old man, pick on someone who really have not had a chance to learn to ride a bike in the trails is no fun. Wait until the kid who are serious about training (not just going down hill) and I am sure he will make you eat dust. I ride once a week now if I am lucky. when ever I see another rider on the road, I will try like hell to catch them and pass them and make sure they don't catch up. I am in no shape. Given so many cyclist here in LA, rarely do they catch me that's because they are not serious riders. Go on a establish group ride, I bet you can't hang for the first 3-5 miles, even if you were in their 10k carbon or ti mtb.

brakedw 09-03-2012 07:50 PM

There will always be inconsiderate people whether in cars, motorcycles, bikes. I don't think that ever justifies intentionally putting someone's life at risk. I drive my Porsche. I ride my road bike. I accept that roads are multiuse and if I get stuck behind a double wide trailer or the mail truck or even a bike I'm willing to be patient and get around them when it's safe. 45 seconds of my time is not worth a life. The rules of the road apply to all. Here in Greenville we are fortunate to have officers that will ticket cars that harass cyclists as well as cyclist that break the laws. And to the comments about spandex wearing and Armstrong wana be's ... Do you make the same comments about basketball players wearing high tops or tennis players wearing tennis shorts, swimmers wearing speedos? You wear the appropriate clothes for the sport It doesn't mean anything other than you take Your sport seriously.

intakexhaust 09-03-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brakedw (Post 6953507)
Do you make the same comments about basketball players wearing high tops or tennis players wearing tennis shorts, swimmers wearing speedos? You wear the appropriate clothes for the sport It doesn't mean anything other than you take Your sport seriously.

As a matter fact I do. So whats with the fat gut dudes sporting bicycle shirts with all the glowing sponsers on them? All show and just looks hilarious to me.

Racerbvd 09-03-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 6953525)
As a matter fact I do. So whats with the fat gut dudes sporting bicycle shirts with all the glowing sponsers on them? All show and just looks hilarious to me.

I don't wear glowing sponsors on my shirts, but the jersey for my child hood & life long friend's Bike Shop, plus those jerseys are functional.. Do I wear em every time I go out, no, only for long rides on my road bike.
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