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look 171 09-04-2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 6955629)
If you were late and a car was driving along in front of you at 5mph on a 55mph road for the next half hour or so...would you be as quick to accept it as you would if it was a guy on a bike?

When you have a chance, go around them. Same with a bike. What's the issue here. I don't understand. People walk 4 across in Ikea or whatever and stop right in front of me all time time. I walk around them when there's chance. It a waste of 5 -10 second of my life.

look 171 09-04-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 6955678)
I disagree, it's safer for everyone and I never inconvenience foot traffic. I am extraordinarily considerate of walkers, joggers, etc.. I do not ride on sidewalks that are heavily used period.

My actions are on the wrong side of policy but on the right side of sense.

People ride on the sidewalk all the time especially kids. They should, but sometimes is safer place. I have no problem. I just never, even do it. I do not go to areas, like the beac, and walk the bike or Starbucks for that matter.

Flieger 09-04-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 6956109)
People ride on the sidewalk all the time especially kids. They should, but sometimes is safer place. I have no problem. I just never, even do it. I do not go to areas, like the beac, and walk the bike or Starbucks for that matter.

Hmm. Late night posting means grammar, spelling, and word choice suffers. :D

look 171 09-04-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 6956012)
Been there many times. Lived in CA for a while. Bopught my Carrera there.

It doesn't take many close calls or having to follow bikes for miles to pass to feel imposed upon.

Traffic backups were in NM...however, have had bikes run redlights in front of me several times in LA (going quite fast)...and almost hit them. Maybe that isn't considered a close call in LA, but it scared me enough to almost make me hit another car to try to avoid hiting the bike rider.

I agree with Nostastic. I have never been held up by a bike(s) for miles. Maybe 10 car lengths. Most people can't wait to go around them. This is LA and believe it or not, people do drive much faster then residents in other cities. they will find ways or rush to get around slower traffic, forget about a bike going 12 miles an hour. I agree, idiots run lights all the time. I am sure people (kids or young adults mostly) run lights in other cities or towns also. there are cyclist and there are those ride a bike. Bike riders are increasing in huge numbers, you gotta have some or many bad apples.

look 171 09-04-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 6956118)
Hmm. Late night posting means grammar, spelling, and word choice suffers. :D

Yes my two left thumbs. Ok they shouldn't.

flatbutt 09-05-2012 09:50 AM

Biking in New Jersey, Frequently Asked Questions, Commuter Information

Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Should I ride with or against traffic?
You must ride in the same direction as cars. A bicyclist has the same rights and duties as motorists, for example, stopping at red lights and stop signs.

Q. Where are good places to ride?
A. New Jersey's dense network of secondary roads offer many opportunities to ride. The New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) offers two long distance guides and a series of eighteen geographically diverse bike tour map guides. These tour guides are available in Portable Document Format (PDF).

Q. Where do I ride if there is no shoulder or bike lane and the travel lane is too narrow to share?
A. The best approach is to position yourself several feet out into the lane where motorists will see you and not be invited to squeeze by in the same lane. On narrower lanes, ten feet or less, a bicyclist might actually "take the lane", i.e., position themselves at or near the center of the lane. This enables them to be seen by overtaking vehicles and gives the message that the overtaking vehicle must move left to pass when it is safe to do so.


Q. May I ride on major roadways?
A. In New Jersey, relatively few roads are closed to bicycle traffic. However, toll roads and some freeways, including interstates are closed to bicyclists. Some of these roads are accessible if you obtain a permit from the NJDOT.

Q. Who has the right of way, a bicyclist or a pedestrian?
A. Bicyclists, like motorists, must yield the right of way to pedestrians.

Q. How do I make a left turn at a busy intersection?
A. With the proper skills and experience, a bicyclist may move to the left (after checking other traffic) to the left side of the lane or into a left turn lane and execute a left turn, as would other vehicular traffic. If conditions seem too difficult to do this, a bicyclist can always ride to the far corner, reposition themselves on the crossing street and proceed when they have the right of way; or, they can dismount and walk across the road, then remount and proceed.


Q. Do I have to wear a helmet?
A. Currently, children under the age of 17 are required to wear a bicycle helmet when riding a bicycle. Helmets have been shown to reduce the incidence of head injuries. A recent review of 5 well-conducted, case-controlled studies identified a 63 percent to 85 percent reduction in the risk of head and brain injuries for all ages of bicyclists. It makes sense for all bicyclists to wear one.


Q. Can I ride a bike on the sidewalk?
A. While riding a bicycle on a sidewalk is not prohibited by New Jersey statutes, some municipalities have passed ordinances prohibiting bicycle traffic on certain sidewalks. This prohibition is usually posted. It should be noted, that sidewalks are for pedestrians. Riding on sidewalks can cause conflicts with pedestrians and, like wrong way riding, can lead to crashes since it places bicyclists in situations where others do not expect them. Except for very young cyclists under parental supervision, sidewalks are not for bicycling.


Q. Isn't riding on the road unsafe?
A. It depends on a rider's confidence and competence and the road. Statistics indicate bicycling is about as safe as driving or riding in a car. Local streets and bicycle compatible streets are generally easier than busy arterials.

You should practice your bike riding skills and make sure you know the rules of the road so you can ride with confidence. If you encounter difficult situations beyond your skills, such as at a busy intersection, you can always stop, dismount and walk your bike.

fintstone 09-05-2012 10:00 AM

Just a quick point to make to some of you that have discounted the experiences of others...just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Do you really think so many people would be upset with the spandex/clad heroes if they were always model citizens?

intakexhaust 09-05-2012 11:31 AM

Seems like Bass fisherman get into this bike spandex topic.
Good laughs and commentary

And then we have these fisherman posers around our lakes sporting nascar logo like shirts, pants thinking their hotshiz fisherman. They look comical.

Brando 09-05-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 6957044)
Just a quick point to make to some of you that have discounted the experiences of others...just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Do you really think so many people would be upset with the spandex/clad heroes if they were always model citizens?

It's not just the spandex-clad bicycle-weenies. People in general - on bikes, in cars, on motorcycles - are careless tools who only care about memememememe while on the road. That attitude begets the situation we have now.

THEN throw in the factors of distractions, inexperience, language barriers, ignorance of "rules of the road" and "right-of-way"... You get a poo-storm.

My recommendation to anyone who is going to be driving, riding or biking would be to follow the rules and set a good example.

look 171 09-05-2012 11:48 AM

Its so funny how many here worry how other male (or female I assume because I have not read any comments on yet) dress during exercise or fishing, for that matter. Why do you care how they dress? tight or looses clothing, matching or not, old bike or new, why does it matter? I thought men didn't care about that sort of things.

Joe Bob 09-05-2012 11:52 AM

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/e/ec/e...atspandex.jpeg

Jim Richards 09-05-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brando (Post 6957250)
It's not just the spandex-clad bicycle-weenies. People in general - on bikes, in cars, on motorcycles - are careless tools who only care about memememememe while on the road. That attitude begets the situation we have now.

THEN throw in the factors of distractions, inexperience, language barriers, ignorance of "rules of the road" and "right-of-way"... You get a poo-storm.

My recommendation to anyone who is going to be driving, riding or biking would be to follow the rules and set a good example.

Our pedestrians in the city should be thrown into "careless tools" box. So many will be texting, chatting on the phone, or else wise in a fog as they walk against traffic lights. I'm surprised that there as so few of them getting run over by traffic.

Jim Richards 09-05-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 6957300)

After spandex warrior gets home and showers up he transforms into "internet commando!"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aXKVMp4dYh...rior888888.jpg


;)


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